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Started by Berkut, June 02, 2013, 11:22:54 PM

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: crazy canuck on June 05, 2013, 04:29:06 PM
If you want to ignore the fact that there are other methods then you are missing out on the last 50 years or so of management studies in the area of increasing productivity.

Christ almighty.  What do you expect to achieve by deleting the part of my post that's relevant to your response?


DGuller

I'm not sure I get Yi's point.  Is he saying that every accommodation has a money value, and so in effect any improvement in workplace quality of life is just a form of monetary compensation?

crazy canuck

Quote from: DGuller on June 05, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
I'm not sure I get Yi's point.  Is he saying that every accommodation has a money value, and so in effect any improvement in workplace quality of life is just a form of monetary compensation?

His point has something to do with flexible work hours equating to not sitting on cinder blocks but that is as far as I got.

Jacob

Quote from: DGuller on June 05, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
I'm not sure I get Yi's point.  Is he saying that every accommodation has a money value, and so in effect any improvement in workplace quality of life is just a form of monetary compensation?

The main thing I'm getting from him is that I don't want to work for him, and I don't want to hire him for any kind of management position either.

The Brain

No matter how comfy the chair you won't work unless you get money. Or you are forced to work.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

crazy canuck

Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2013, 05:27:05 PM
No matter how comfy the chair you won't work unless you get money. Or you are forced to work.

Except it was pointed out to him that nobody is suggesting people work for no money.   He is just wrong that money by itself is the only thing that can motivate people to be productive.

Siege

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2013, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 05, 2013, 02:29:35 PM
Because history has abundantly shown that the profit motive and the price mechanism are the most efficient way of allocating resources to create the goods and services that maximize human satisfaction, and a more efficient way of incentivizing productive behavior than ballets about tractors or bayonets and gulags.

Bah.  There has to be a happy medium somewhere between unrepentant, society-destroying greed and dysfunctional, myopic central planning.  One that doesn't involve explosives or guillotines.

Society destroying greed?

Dude, greed is the engine of the world.
Everything human civilization have ever achieved have been because of someones' greed.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


CountDeMoney

Quote from: Siege on June 05, 2013, 08:59:30 PM
Dude, greed is the engine of the world.

Says the Jew wannabe.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Jacob on June 05, 2013, 05:17:31 PM
The main thing I'm getting from him is that I don't want to work for him, and I don't want to hire him for any kind of management position either.

What an odd thing to say.

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: Jacob on June 05, 2013, 05:17:31 PM
The main thing I'm getting from him is that I don't want to work for him, and I don't want to hire him for any kind of management position either.

What an odd thing to say.

Creative differences.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Ed Anger

I'd hire Yi. @ $8/hr.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: Jacob on June 05, 2013, 05:17:31 PM
The main thing I'm getting from him is that I don't want to work for him, and I don't want to hire him for any kind of management position either.

What an odd thing to say.

No kidding, your outlook has worked for Romney types for ages.  I see no downside.

Jacob

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 06, 2013, 12:54:25 AMWhat an odd thing to say.

Really? Seems pretty clear to me - your management philosophy as you've laid it out seems counter-productive to me, so I wouldn't want to be subjected to it or introduce it into any organization over whichI had control.

crazy canuck

Yi, given your hate for unions, you might want to consider that the main reason employees unionize is not for monetary gain.  A lot of research has shown that the main reason is that employees feel they need from protection from asshole managers.