Turkish police use tear gas, injure dozens in break up of protests

[Maximus]

Reports (and photos made with mobile photos) indicate that in the "çağlayan" courthouse whatever that may be, lawyers who went to work and could be IDed as having protested, are being arrested.


Psellus' democratic hero in action again

Well now I am torn.

[Neil]

I'm not.  Lawyers are even worse than Islamists.

[Maximus]

Hard to say which is the bigger threat to democracy.

[Razgovory]

Tamas, maybe you should stage a sympathy protest at your workplace.

[Tamas]

Democracy is being defended against a rampant communist agent of destruction:
http://s7.directupload.net/images/130611/6z7zvv5s.swf

[Josquius]

Its really strange the way supposidely hip lefty young Turkish kids rally around the iamge of a right wing douche of 80 years past.

[Sheilbh]

BUT AT LEAST THEY ARE NOT FORCEFUL SECULARISTS!

That's a spectacular euphemism for military government.

But everything I've read and every interview I've seen of the protesters has one theme which is that they're not opposed to democracy. They don't want to go back to the bad old days. This is an argument about the nature of democracy rather than a call for 'forceful secularists' to seize office.

I also don't know who you're arguing with

His nasty habit of imprisoning journalists and having them sacked when they displease him is a good start to the list.

The use of tax investigations in major media companies too.

The comparison to Putin is eerie, down to the plan to shuttle between PM and President.

The amendments Erdogan was pushing were largely modelled on the French V Republic constitution, which is interesting because I think previous Turkish constitutions have been based on the third and the fourth Republic's constitution

Edit: Interestingly I read about some polls this week. As well as opposing the constitutional amendments and Turkey's policy on Syria, the majority of Turks also opposed the alcohol laws. Also the AKP are polling at around 40% at the minute, which is bad given that they were on around 60% at the last election.

If only Turkey had a decent opposition

[Razgovory]

Heh.  I was actually thinking that if Erdogan was not a Muslim he'd be viewed more like Sarkosy.

[Syt]

Erdogan has announced yesterday the whole thing will be over within 24 hours, and that the police actions haven't been tough enough yet.

[Tamas]

Erdogan has announced yesterday the whole thing will be over within 24 hours, and that the police actions haven't been tough enough yet.

At least he is not a secularist

[Tamas]

I also don't know who you're arguing with

Mostly with Psellus I guess

[Duque de Bragança]

Heh.  I was actually thinking that if Erdogan was not a Muslim he'd be viewed more like Sarkosy.

There's no way a conservative would go against the wine lobby in France. Now, a dhimmi socialist...   

[Razgovory]

Heh.  I was actually thinking that if Erdogan was not a Muslim he'd be viewed more like Sarkosy.

There's no way a conservative would go against the wine lobby in France. Now, a dhimmi socialist... 

Choose the restricted substance appropriate to your culture.

[Duque de Bragança]

Heh.  I was actually thinking that if Erdogan was not a Muslim he'd be viewed more like Sarkosy.

There's no way a conservative would go against the wine lobby in France. Now, a dhimmi socialist... 

Choose the restricted substance appropriate to your culture.

Niqabs, burqas and other full veils ?

[Tamas]

Its really strange the way supposidely hip lefty young Turkish kids rally around the iamge of a right wing douche of 80 years past.

that right wing douche saved their country from sliced-up colony status, and with a firm resolve put them on a course of modernization, instead of islam retardedness.