Skeleton Lake of Roopkund, India. The Surprise Is What Killed Them …

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Razgovory

#30
May 30, 2013, 05:29:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 30, 2013, 05:16:08 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 30, 2013, 05:06:49 PM
Why aren't there broken ribs and arms?  Wouldn't you expect that from hail hitting a prone body or a person trying to protect themselves? 

That is why the theory is dependent on it being a sudden and freak hailstorm.

So enormous hailstones zero in on people's skulls and kill several hundred people instantly in one volley?  It's an extraordinary claim, without much in the way of proof.

I'm not sharing the "Lightly tapping" interpretation.

It would seem that the original concept of hailstorms come from TV show done nearly 10 years ago  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1476074/Giant-hail-killed-more-than-200-in-Himalayas.html  (Leave it to Slate and Tim to give us the most up-to-date stories).
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alfred russel

#31
May 30, 2013, 05:33:57 PM
Raz, Slate said it was hail. I don't know why you are arguing this.
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Razgovory

#32
May 30, 2013, 05:36:11 PM
It's interesting to note the differences between the Telegraph article and the Slate one.  In the Slate article all the people were hit on the head.  In the Telegraph article most had fractured skulls.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Razgovory

#33
May 30, 2013, 05:37:00 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 30, 2013, 05:33:57 PM
Raz, Slate said it was hail. I don't know why you are arguing this.

:lol:
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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PDH

#34
May 30, 2013, 06:59:14 PM
Oddly enough (at least until I see the physical anthropology analysis of the wounds), I am with Raz on this one.  One would think that falling bodies would have wounds with blunt trauma on extremities as well if it were hail.  Unless it was an immediate wall of hail that lasted a second, it should have also left marks on the prone dead.
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Caliga

#35
May 30, 2013, 08:19:37 PM
 :hmm: What bodies?  All that's left at this point are scattered bones, right?

btw I took a look at this lake on Google Earth and these people must have been crazy as shit to hike through there... :huh:
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PDH

#36
May 30, 2013, 08:44:32 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 30, 2013, 08:19:37 PM
:hmm: What bodies?  All that's left at this point are scattered bones, right?

btw I took a look at this lake on Google Earth and these people must have been crazy as shit to hike through there... :huh:

The skeletal system is usually inside of bodies, which would have been there if the people just died.  Following this line of reasoning, blunt trauma would have happened to the bodies (and seen in the skeletal system that remains).

Still, this is Slate, and failing the physical anthropological examination I have to assume the internet article is perhaps a bit...sparse on the details.
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Ed Anger

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May 30, 2013, 08:52:18 PM
I confess. I went back in time and shit in their food.
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#38
May 31, 2013, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: PDH on May 30, 2013, 08:44:32 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 30, 2013, 08:19:37 PM
:hmm: What bodies?  All that's left at this point are scattered bones, right?

btw I took a look at this lake on Google Earth and these people must have been crazy as shit to hike through there... :huh:

The skeletal system is usually inside of bodies, which would have been there if the people just died.  Following this line of reasoning, blunt trauma would have happened to the bodies (and seen in the skeletal system that remains).

Still, this is Slate, and failing the physical anthropological examination I have to assume the internet article is perhaps a bit...sparse on the details.
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#39
May 31, 2013, 04:35:47 PM
Raz it's very unlikely that 9th century Indians were all killed by a maniacal mace attack from a 19th century Albanian tryrant.
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#40
May 31, 2013, 05:07:11 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 30, 2013, 08:52:18 PM
I confess. I went back in time and shit in their food.

None of your normal types would leave that kind of marks on the bones.
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#41
June 03, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
It must have been a full strenght company of balearic slingers, with at least an experience level of 3.




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June 03, 2013, 09:19:53 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 31, 2013, 05:07:11 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 30, 2013, 08:52:18 PM
I confess. I went back in time and shit in their food.

None of your normal types would leave that kind of marks on the bones.

Well that's why we don't see evidence of this more often.
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June 03, 2013, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 03, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
It must have been a full strenght company of balearic slingers, with at least an experience level of 3.
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