Breaking News - Reports of an Ongoing Terrorist 'Incident' in Woolwich,London.

Started by mongers, May 22, 2013, 01:48:47 PM

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DGuller

#90
May 22, 2013, 09:20:03 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 22, 2013, 08:32:51 PM
It's your country, so you're in a better position to judge, but it still seems bizarre that fight or flight did not kick in for all those standing around.
Why would it kick in?  The bystanders weren't in immediate danger, getting involved is what would've put them in immediate danger.  In situations like that, what can kick in is diffusion of responsibility, and it seems like that in fact did happen.

CountDeMoney

#91
May 22, 2013, 09:23:13 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 22, 2013, 08:32:51 PM
It's your country, so you're in a better position to judge, but it still seems bizarre that fight or flight did not kick in for all those standing around.

Mayhem isn't exactly the first thing that comes to the rational actor's mind in that sort of situation.

derspiess

#92
May 22, 2013, 09:24:58 PM
Still don't understand it.
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DGuller

#94
May 22, 2013, 09:30:57 PM
I can't really fault untrained civilians not getting involved when they face danger.  There is a reason we must train and pay cops to do that for us.

derspiess

#95
May 22, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 22, 2013, 09:30:57 PM
I can't really fault untrained civilians not getting involved when they face danger.  There is a reason we must train and pay cops to do that for us.

For the most part, I can't either. Not getting the fuck out of there, though, seems odd.
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MadImmortalMan

#96
May 22, 2013, 10:04:33 PM
At some point they must have figured the dudes weren't looking to up their body count. They clearly wanted to kill the one guy and not everyone.
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derspiess

#97
May 22, 2013, 10:05:34 PM
Bunch of rationalizing know-it-alls :rolleyes:
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

jimmy olsen

#98
May 22, 2013, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 22, 2013, 09:20:03 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 22, 2013, 08:32:51 PM
It's your country, so you're in a better position to judge, but it still seems bizarre that fight or flight did not kick in for all those standing around.
Why would it kick in?  The bystanders weren't in immediate danger, getting involved is what would've put them in immediate danger.  In situations like that, what can kick in is diffusion of responsibility, and it seems like that in fact did happen.
It's called fight or flight!

A couple of crazies just chopped a dude's head off. If you don't want to get involved why wouldn't you run? Not in immediate danger? How do they know that? These guys are unbalanced.
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DGuller

#99
May 22, 2013, 11:24:33 PM
You don't see a guy beheaded every day.  I hope.

Martinus

#100
May 23, 2013, 12:11:45 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 22, 2013, 03:19:29 PM
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fhdz

#101
May 23, 2013, 12:15:34 AM
The ignore function is for people who can't even muster the self-control not to post and have to have Mommy fix it for them.

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Tamas

#102
May 23, 2013, 02:56:06 AM
During one of the London Languish meets an old dude collapsed and probably had a heart attack or a stroke or something on the sidewalk, there was like 20 people standing around in a circle and watching as he was literally dying at their feet, and nobody, and I mean NOBODY called an ambulance until RH asked if anyone has.

Viking

#103
May 23, 2013, 04:44:14 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 22, 2013, 11:24:33 PM
You don't see a guy beheaded every day.  I hope.

Welcome to the new normal.
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A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Brazen

#104
May 23, 2013, 05:08:56 AM
You see people brushing right by the murderer with bloody hands as he's addressing the camera. Not scared, but not getting involved. A pair of girls go up an check the victim's pulse then ask the other guy what he's done. It took 20 minutes for the police to arrive - maybe everyone thought it's so serious surely someone's done it already?

Intervention is a strange subject in London. More than once I've helped out as someone's collapsed in the street and either called for an ambulance or ensured someone else already had. But just yesterday I passed a man lying in the gardens in front of a block of flats and neither tried to check he was OK or called the emergency services, just assuming he was a drunk who passed out.

I like to think I would have tried first aid on the victim, but almost certainly not with two armed madmen dripping blood next to me. A "has anyone called the cops?" probably wouldn't have gone amiss. If there had been other soldiers in the vicinity, there might not have been much left for the cops to arrest.

I still think calling it a terrorist attack rather than a random religious motivated murder is giving it exactly the oxygen of publicity the perpetrators hoped. There are a shocking number of people knifed or hacked to death in gang violence every day in London which are sufficiently common to barely be covered in the press.
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