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Tonitrus

#8085
March 28, 2016, 08:45:42 PM
He won't do any of that.

alfred russel

#8086
March 28, 2016, 08:47:09 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 28, 2016, 08:35:04 PM

He'll run in the states he can just to punish the GOP and prevent them from winning.

He'll also probably challenge those sore loser laws in court. I can't concieve of how they're in any way constitutional, but they've been upheld before and likely will again. Still, he could get lucky and win.

I doubt he will spend millions to run in a handful of states when he doesn't have a chance to win.

Also, how can you not conceive that states can limit access to their ballots for people that were on earlier stages of the ballots? I'm really curious on this. I mean, it would clearly be constitutional for a state to cancel the entire ballot and just leave it up to the members of the state legislature to decide the election results for the state.
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Tonitrus

#8087
March 28, 2016, 08:52:24 PM Last Edit: March 28, 2016, 08:58:27 PM by Tonitrus
Quote from: alfred russel on March 28, 2016, 08:47:09 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 28, 2016, 08:35:04 PM

He'll run in the states he can just to punish the GOP and prevent them from winning.

He'll also probably challenge those sore loser laws in court. I can't concieve of how they're in any way constitutional, but they've been upheld before and likely will again. Still, he could get lucky and win.

I doubt he will spend millions to run in a handful of states when he doesn't have a chance to win.

Also, how can you not conceive that states can limit access to their ballots for people that were on earlier stages of the ballots? I'm really curious on this. I mean, it would clearly be constitutional for a state to cancel the entire ballot and just leave it up to the members of the state legislature to decide the election results for the state.

Well, they can choose the electors anyway.

But, of course, any state government that decides to toss the indirect elections and choose their own electors would be facing their own electoral suicide.

Habbaku

#8088
March 28, 2016, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 28, 2016, 07:25:56 PM
If Trump goes into the convention having "won" 1237 plus delegates and Cruz wins the nomination because of this the GOP is going to be destroyed. Trump will run third party and Hillary will win over 400 electoral votes. The Senate will certainly flip and the House might as well.

I don't disagree with you about Hillary racking up the electoral votes, but why do you assume the House and Senate would fall as well?  Do you think Trump and Cruz voters are going to vote Democrat instead of the single Republican on the ticket?  Or are you under some thinking that Trump has a list of people who will run for House and Senate seats under his banner against a Republican?
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#8089
March 28, 2016, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 28, 2016, 08:35:04 PMHe'll also probably challenge those sore loser laws in court. I can't concieve of how they're in any way constitutional, but they've been upheld before and likely will again. Still, he could get lucky and win.

States have a lot leeway in selecting Electors; doesn't make a lot of sense in this day and age but its a constitutional anachronism.
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jimmy olsen

#8090
March 29, 2016, 12:13:37 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 28, 2016, 08:45:42 PM
He won't do any of that.

You don't think he's petty enough to do it out of spite?
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MadImmortalMan

#8091
March 29, 2016, 12:15:40 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 28, 2016, 10:22:19 PM

States have a lot leeway in selecting Electors; doesn't make a lot of sense in this day and age but its a constitutional anachronism.

Why? How does the EU choose their head of state?
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Phillip V

#8092
March 29, 2016, 01:05:31 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2016, 12:13:37 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 28, 2016, 08:45:42 PM
He won't do any of that.

You don't think he's petty enough to do it out of spite?

That's not winning.

Solmyr

#8093
March 29, 2016, 01:16:00 AM
So, as a ROTW inhabitant, the main thing I care about is that the next POTUS doesn't give in to Russia's pressure and start making deals with Putin (removing sanctions, etc). How likely is this to happen with the current candidates?

Tonitrus

#8094
March 29, 2016, 01:22:26 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2016, 12:13:37 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 28, 2016, 08:45:42 PM
He won't do any of that.

You don't think he's petty enough to do it out of spite?

Nope.

I don't believe he would need to either.  If Trump has the nomination "stolen" from him at the convention, I think enough of his followers will just stay home on election day, and the GOP is doomed regardless.

Eddie Teach

#8095
March 29, 2016, 01:28:07 AM
I think Trump is the only candidate likely to take a softer approach on Russia than Obama has. And even then it's not a given- being too friendly with Putin will hurt his approval rate.
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Phillip V

#8097
March 29, 2016, 02:13:18 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on March 29, 2016, 01:16:00 AM
So, as a ROTW inhabitant, the main thing I care about is that the next POTUS doesn't give in to Russia's pressure and start making deals with Putin (removing sanctions, etc). How likely is this to happen with the current candidates?


Have sanctions been working?

Solmyr

#8098
March 29, 2016, 02:27:40 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on March 29, 2016, 02:13:18 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on March 29, 2016, 01:16:00 AM
So, as a ROTW inhabitant, the main thing I care about is that the next POTUS doesn't give in to Russia's pressure and start making deals with Putin (removing sanctions, etc). How likely is this to happen with the current candidates?


Have sanctions been working?

Yes.
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