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Started by merithyn, May 09, 2013, 07:37:45 AM

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derspiess

He'll sometimes soften it or 'clarify' it a bit the next day.  Of course, he'd never apologize.
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on August 11, 2016, 03:59:04 PM
I mean, Sharia is Islam's religious law. It's certainly not unique in having a religious legal system, Christianity has had it (at least the Catholic Church), Judaism has it etc. It also isn't unique in commingling it with secular law--for a long time violating Church laws in the West could see you tried in a Church court and even put to death for your crime. The difference is by and large we no longer accept as valid Church law having any say in secular government.

There is another big difference - while seculars could be subject to ecclesiastical law in some circumstances, canon law was separate and autonomous from other forms of law - royal, customary, feudal, mercantile.  It was both a concurrent and also competitive system with the rest.  This is Harold Berman's argument that a distinctive feature of Western law is the presence of overlapping jurisdictional claims giving rise to conflicts, rules for resolution and potential for arbitrage. 

Sharia did not play a similar role in most historical Islamic societies - it was not a common pattern to have separate and autonomous "sultanic" and "sharia" courts.  Rather the expectation was that the state would either delegate legal functions to those trained in sharia schools or otherwise incorporate sharia principles into its own law.  So functionally sharia served as a source of "secular" law principles but also as an ideal set of principles for real-life legal systems to aspire to.  The latter concept could be a useful as a means of critiquing or attacking tyranny.  But in the modern world, sharia as a non-actualized, transcendent and ideal set of rules and principles for critiquing existing practice is both seductive and very dangerous, especially when linked to a highly formalized and literal school of interpretation.
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FunkMonk

For you Futurama fans out there, the voice of Zapp Brannigan has been tweeting Trumpisms in Zapp's voice:

QuoteBilly West @TheBillyWest
ZAPP presents...Famous Trump Quotations! pic.twitter.com/cFq1rQ4veY
22h ago

QuoteBilly West @TheBillyWest
ZAPP presents... Famous Trump Quotations! pic.twitter.com/jGzmsKM9cF

:lol:
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: FunkMonk on August 11, 2016, 05:14:15 PM
For you Futurama Ren & Stimpy fans out there, the voice of Zapp Brannigan Stimpson J. Cat has been tweeting Trumpisms in Zapp's voice:

Razgovory

Quote from: Solmyr on August 11, 2016, 12:24:59 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 11, 2016, 10:44:29 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 11, 2016, 08:04:22 AM
I have no idea who 'Tablet Magazine' is but I am glad somebody is bothering to expose those crazies in the Green Party
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:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: It is this kind of pandering to idiots and ignorance that drives me nuts in modern politics.

That is why we need to remain a two-party system:  the crazies on both the left and the right become marginalized in the wider party picture--as they should be, where their influence comes and goes with the poltical zeitgeist.

Granting them their own place at the table as parties of equal weight legitimizes their goofiness, and you wind up with Europe.

Fuck that.

The Green parties in Europe are nowhere near the level of craziness that Jill Stein seems to be. In fact, they are some of the more reasonable ones here.

They seem pretty crazy.  Trying to grant chimps human rights, hysteria over GMOs, "zero growth economies".
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

CountDeMoney

So irksome.   :mad:

QuoteClinton Pledges — Again — To Block Trade Deal She Once Backed
By David Francis
August 11, 2016 - 3:39 pm
ForeignPolicy.com

Donald Trump gave a major economic speech earlier this week, prompting Hillary Clinton to roll out one of her own Thursday — and to try to get around the inconvenient truth that she supported a large and deeply controversial Asian trade deal before flip-flopping and loudly opposing it.

Speaking to a crowd of 500 in Michigan, the Democratic presidential nominee promised to block the Trans Pacific Partnership, a 12-nation pact that Trump and some lawmakers from both parties deride as a job-killing agreement that will see American jobs move overseas.

"I will stop any trade deal that kills jobs and holds down wages, including the TPP," Clinton said Thursday afternoon. "I oppose it now, I'll oppose it after the election, and I'll oppose it as president."

The problem for Clinton is that she vocally backed the deal while serving as secretary of state, a fact that Trump — like Clinton's defeated Democratic rival, Bernie Sanders — uses as one of his more effective, and accurate, attack lines. He argues that her initial support for the trade pact, which was negotiated in secret over five years and covers 40 percent of the global economy, means Clinton is responsible for the growing divide between rich and poor, stagnant wages, and the  loss of American jobs to foreign competitors.

In a statement released before Clinton had even finished her speech, Stephen Miller, a senior Trump policy adviser, called Clinton a "corporatist, offshoring, trickle-down globalist — the exact opposite of the Donald Trump America First platform. A vote for Hillary is a vote for NAFTA, TPP and the end of American manufacturing."

Clinton had tried to use her Michigan speech to portray herself as tough on trade, a position she adopted after Sanders hammered her on the campaign trail for backing what he called job-killing trade agreements. She said that she would stand up to Beijing and any country that tries to take advantage of American workers and companies. Clinton said she would appoint a chief trade prosecutor and would triple the number of officers charged with determining if foreign partners are living up to terms of trade deals. "When countries break the rules, we won't hesitate to impose targeted tariffs," she said.

Clinton also accused Trump of fear-mongering when it comes to trade. "He may talk a big game on trade, but his approach is based on fear, not strength. Fear that we can't compete with the rest of the world even when the rules are fair. Fear that our country has no choice but to hide behind walls," Clinton said.

Since the Democratic convention, Clinton and her running mate, Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, have been working to take voters' focus off past positions on trade and onto her proposals to create new jobs, increase wages, and grow the economy. Their efforts appear to have paid off; Trump held a lead over Clinton in polls that questioned who would best handle the economy, until last week. Now, a CNN tally shows voters prefer Clinton to Trump on that question, 50 to 48.

"Trump's agenda will pull our economy back into recession," Clinton said.

Clinton also tried to convince lower and middle class voters who support Trump that the GOP nominee is working against their interests. She offered a robust rebuttal of the economic plans that Trump outlined earlier this week and painted his proposals, which lacked key details and relied on disproven economic theories, as a gift to America's wealthiest that would have little benefit to the middle and working classes Trump claims to champion. The mogul's bleak vision of America, she said in a reprise of a theme she's been hitting since the Democratic convention, simply doesn't reflect reality.

"When he visited Detroit on Monday, he talked only of poverty, failure, and crime," Clinton said of Trump. "He is missing so much of what makes Michigan great."

The former secretary of state painted the upcoming election as a simple choice: Who is better equipped to help working families stung by years of stagnant wages and the loss of many manufacturing jobs? Clinton argued that Trump's tax plan would further open the divide between rich and poor, and that his proposal would benefit the wealthiest Americans, including Trump and his family, with little benefit for the middle class.

She attacked Trump for failing to pay contractors for their work in places like Atlantic City, and accused him of running from his business debts. Clinton said not to believe Trump is on the side of the "little guy," and painted him as a friend of corporations, environmental polluters, and the financial industry. Clinton promised to change laws so that "Wall Street can never ruin Main Street again."

Borrowing a page from her rival, though, Clinton outlined a long list of costly new programs and initiatives without saying how she would fund them or overcome certain GOP opposition.

Clinton proposed $275 billion in infrastructure investment; tax penalties for companies that move operations abroad; and tax incentives for profit sharing programs. She pledged to fix schools and water filtration systems, and to connect all U.S. households to broadband by 2020. Clinton also said she would create an infrastructure investment bank, make new investments in exportable technology, and would simplify the federal tax process for small businesses. Clinton also called for free public college tuition for working and middle class families, and said she would make it easier to pay back student loans.

Explaining how she'd actually bring any of that about wasn't Clinton's mission Thursday; her goal was to convince Rust Belt voters that she, not Trump, would help them to benefit from the economic recovery. There will be ample time before November for pollsters to give a sense of whether her approach will work.

HVC

Quote from: FunkMonk on August 11, 2016, 05:14:15 PM
For you Futurama fans out there, the voice of Zapp Brannigan has been tweeting Trumpisms in Zapp's voice:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheBillyWest/status/763912513264037888/video/1 actually sounds like a Zapp quote :lol:
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Valmy

You can tell by my sig I am a massive Zap fan so this made my day :lol:

Wow something cool came out of twitter. Huh.

They need to get Kif in there somehow.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Legbiter

Seems the FBI is going after the Clinton Foundation.

QuoteMultiple FBI investigations are underway involving potential corruption charges against the Clinton Foundation, according to a former senior law enforcement official.

The investigation centers on New York City, where the Clinton Foundation has its main offices, according to the former official who has direct knowledge of the activities.

Prosecutorial support will come from various U.S. Attorneys Offices — a major departure from other centralized FBI investigations.

The New York-based probe is being led by Preet Bharara, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. Bharara's prosecutorial aggressiveness has resulted in a large number of convictions of banks, hedge funds and Wall Street insiders.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/11/exclusive-joint-fbi-us-attorney-probe-of-clinton-foundation-is-underway/


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Legbiter

And CNN ran this story yesterday.

QuoteOfficials from the FBI and Department of Justice met several months ago to discuss opening a public corruption case into the Clinton Foundation, according to a US official.

At the time, three field offices were in agreement an investigation should be launched after the FBI received notification from a bank of suspicious activity from a foreigner who had donated to the Clinton Foundation, according to the official

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/hillary-clinton-state-department-clinton-foundation/index.html
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Martinus

Well, that killed the mood.  :rolleyes:

Legs, you should know by now that you are supposed to post only bad articles about Trump. Everybody is going to ignore you otherwise.

Malthus

Quote from: Martinus on August 12, 2016, 07:06:46 AM
Well, that killed the mood.  :rolleyes:

Legs, you should know by now that you are supposed to post only bad articles about Trump. Everybody is going to ignore you otherwise.

"Investigating" various things Clinton has allegedly done (or in this case, things an organization the Clintons founded have allegedly done) is non-news. She has been "investigated" dozens of times, with a general lack of results.

It can't compare in noteworthiness with the stuff a candidate actually says.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Legbiter

Quote from: Martinus on August 12, 2016, 07:06:46 AM
Well, that killed the mood.  :rolleyes:

Legs, you should know by now that you are supposed to post only bad articles about Trump.

:lol:

I love how this election season reads like something written by Suetonius.
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Martinus

Quote from: Malthus on August 12, 2016, 08:26:08 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 12, 2016, 07:06:46 AM
Well, that killed the mood.  :rolleyes:

Legs, you should know by now that you are supposed to post only bad articles about Trump. Everybody is going to ignore you otherwise.

"Investigating" various things Clinton has allegedly done (or in this case, things an organization the Clintons founded have allegedly done) is non-news. She has been "investigated" dozens of times, with a general lack of results.

It can't compare in noteworthiness with the stuff a candidate actually says.

Yes, Trump making a bad joke is much worse than Hillary defrauding federal money.