2016 elections - because it's never too early

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Sheilbh

Quote from: Liep on August 05, 2016, 03:02:55 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 04, 2016, 07:36:36 PM

538 now cast has her winning Georgia and Arizona in a brutal  374-164 curbstomp
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

And a week ago they had Trump winning in their "now" forecast. There's a long way to November.
Yeah but no nominee has been this unpopular at this stage before...
Let's bomb Russia!

celedhring

Quote from: DGuller on August 04, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 04, 2016, 08:57:42 PM
Really good 30 second ad on national security

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsMXoW_qXco
I wonder how effective any ads of such sort will be.  To anyone who has not drunk the kool-aid, isn't it already fucking obvious?  And if they have drunk it, will this ad be what snaps them out of trance, rather than reinforce their belief that the corrupt elites are afraid of Trump and damn well they should be?  I almost think that just letting some of the kool-aid drinkers to come to realization all on their own without any counter-productive prodding would be the most effective strategy.

I think this kind of campaign is meant to keep the moderates on their toes, rather than to convince their die-hards that aren't going to be convinced at this point imho.

FunkMonk

Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.


celedhring

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/campaign-stops/i-ran-the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0

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I Ran the C.I.A. Now I'm Endorsing Hillary Clinton.
By MICHAEL J. MORELL AUG. 5, 2016

During a 33-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, I served presidents of both parties — three Republicans and three Democrats. I was at President George W. Bush's side when we were attacked on Sept. 11; as deputy director of the agency, I was with President Obama when we killed Osama bin Laden in 2011.

I am neither a registered Democrat nor a registered Republican. In my 40 years of voting, I have pulled the lever for candidates of both parties. As a government official, I have always been silent about my preference for president.

No longer. On Nov. 8, I will vote for Hillary Clinton. Between now and then, I will do everything I can to ensure that she is elected as our 45th president.

Two strongly held beliefs have brought me to this decision. First, Mrs. Clinton is highly qualified to be commander in chief. I trust she will deliver on the most important duty of a president — keeping our nation safe. Second, Donald J. Trump is not only unqualified for the job, but he may well pose a threat to our national security.

I spent four years working with Mrs. Clinton when she was secretary of state, most often in the White House Situation Room. In these critically important meetings, I found her to be prepared, detail-oriented, thoughtful, inquisitive and willing to change her mind if presented with a compelling argument.

I also saw the secretary's commitment to our nation's security; her belief that America is an exceptional nation that must lead in the world for the country to remain secure and prosperous; her understanding that diplomacy can be effective only if the country is perceived as willing and able to use force if necessary; and, most important, her capacity to make the most difficult decision of all — whether to put young American women and men in harm's way.

Mrs. Clinton was an early advocate of the raid that brought Bin Laden to justice, in opposition to some of her most important colleagues on the National Security Council. During the early debates about how we should respond to the Syrian civil war, she was a strong proponent of a more aggressive approach, one that might have prevented the Islamic State from gaining a foothold in Syria.

I never saw her bring politics into the Situation Room. In fact, I saw the opposite. When some wanted to delay the Bin Laden raid by one day because the White House Correspondents Dinner might be disrupted, she said, "Screw the White House Correspondents Dinner."

In sharp contrast to Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Trump has no experience on national security. Even more important, the character traits he has exhibited during the primary season suggest he would be a poor, even dangerous, commander in chief.

These traits include his obvious need for self-aggrandizement, his overreaction to perceived slights, his tendency to make decisions based on intuition, his refusal to change his views based on new information, his routine carelessness with the facts, his unwillingness to listen to others and his lack of respect for the rule of law.

The dangers that flow from Mr. Trump's character are not just risks that would emerge if he became president. It is already damaging our national security.

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was a career intelligence officer, trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to exploit them. That is exactly what he did early in the primaries. Mr. Putin played upon Mr. Trump's vulnerabilities by complimenting him. He responded just as Mr. Putin had calculated.

Mr. Putin is a great leader, Mr. Trump says, ignoring that he has killed and jailed journalists and political opponents, has invaded two of his neighbors and is driving his economy to ruin. Mr. Trump has also taken policy positions consistent with Russian, not American, interests — endorsing Russian espionage against the United States, supporting Russia's annexation of Crimea and giving a green light to a possible Russian invasion of the Baltic States.

In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.

Mr. Trump has also undermined security with his call for barring Muslims from entering the country. This position, which so clearly contradicts the foundational values of our nation, plays into the hands of the jihadist narrative that our fight against terrorism is a war between religions.

In fact, many Muslim Americans play critical roles in protecting our country, including the man, whom I cannot identify, who ran the C.I.A.'s Counterterrorism Center for nearly a decade and who I believe is most responsible for keeping America safe since the Sept. 11 attacks.

My training as an intelligence officer taught me to call it as I see it. This is what I did for the C.I.A. This is what I am doing now. Our nation will be much safer with Hillary Clinton as president.

Michael J. Morell was the acting director and deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency from 2010 to 2013.

Isn't this like having Michael Bay saying you've made a good film?  :hmm:

Monoriu

Civil servants should never publicly side with any election candidate. 

sbr

He's no longer a civil servant and he quit his job with CBS to endorse Hillary.

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Monoriu on August 05, 2016, 10:42:53 AM
Civil servants should never publicly side with any election candidate.

You have publicly sided against Trump. :contract:
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Razgovory

Huh.  Read up on Jill Stein.  She believes that we can erase all student debt with quantitative easing which she describes as " a magic trick that people don't need to really understand what it is about besides its a magic trick." :wacko:
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DGuller

Say what you will about Jill Stein, but she sure had at least an order of magnitude less scandals than Hillary in the last couple of decades.

The Minsky Moment

The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: DGuller on August 05, 2016, 03:06:39 PM
Say what you will about Jill Stein, but she sure had at least an order of magnitude less scandals than Hillary in the last couple of decades.

Not of lot of trouble you can get into when your political experience consists of a term or two on a suburban town council.
Her policy positions are scandalous however.  Worse than Trump in some respects.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Malthus

Quote from: Razgovory on August 05, 2016, 02:56:08 PM
Huh.  Read up on Jill Stein.  She believes that we can erase all student debt with quantitative easing which she describes as " a magic trick that people don't need to really understand what it is about besides its a magic trick." :wacko:

Heh, the only candidate to openly state her platform requires magic to work ...  ;)
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Razgovory

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 05, 2016, 03:06:49 PM
She's the left's answer to Ben Carson.

She made me think of what A German Physicist once said.  "Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!"  It's not only not right, it's not even wrong.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DGuller

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 05, 2016, 03:08:08 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 05, 2016, 03:06:39 PM
Say what you will about Jill Stein, but she sure had at least an order of magnitude less scandals than Hillary in the last couple of decades.

Not of lot of trouble you can get into when your political experience consists of a term or two on a suburban town council.
That's part of the appeal, she hasn't been corrupted by experience in politics.  Or we can just keep voting in the corrupt Washington insiders and expect magically different results.  :rolleyes: