2016 elections - because it's never too early

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garbon

Quote from: celedhring on January 14, 2015, 04:07:02 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 14, 2015, 01:09:02 AM
Quote from: dps on January 14, 2015, 01:05:10 AM

This isn't news.  Depending on exactly how you define the Establishment GOP, the only time a candidate from that part of the party won a Presidential election in the last 80 years was in 1988.  (Eisenhower, I'd say, was backed by the GOP Establishment, but he himself wasn't exactly a member of the Establishment.)
Maybe.

But when they're sole point is 'shut up and we'll win the election' I can understand why people want a change.

Not you, Sheilbh.  :cry:

Being a grammar nazi is so... :rolleyes:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

CountDeMoney

The WSJ completely tattoos Mittens in today's editorial.

QuoteRomney Recycled
Mitt would have to explain why he'd be a better candidate now.


If Mitt Romney is the answer, what is the question? We can think of a few worthy possibilities, though one that doesn't come immediately to mind is who would be the best Republican presidential nominee in 2016.

Mr. Romney told donors last week he is mulling a third run for the White House, confirming cheering whispers from his coterie of advisers. The question the former Massachusetts Governor will have to answer is why he would be a better candidate than he was in 2012.

The answer is not obvious. The logic offered by his admirers is that voters have a case of remorse about rejecting Mr. Romney in 2012, he can raise money and knows how to run a campaign, and even Ronald Reagan didn't win until his third try.

The Gipper analogy is a stretch. Reagan's first effort was belated in 1968, he nearly upset President Gerald Ford for the Republican nomination in 1976, and when he did finally win the nomination in 1980 he also won the general election. Mr. Romney lost the nomination decisively to John McCain in 2008, and he defeated a historically weak field in 2012 thanks mainly to his ability to raise more money and then pound his competitors with negative ads.

Mr. Romney is a man of admirable personal character, but his political profile is, well, protean. He made the cardinal mistake of pandering to conservatives rather than offering a vision that would attract them. He claimed to be "severely conservative" and embraced "self-deportation" for illegal immigrants, a political killer. But he refused to break from his RomneyCare record in Massachusetts even though it undermined his criticism of ObamaCare. A third campaign would resurrect all of that political baggage—and videotape.

The businessman also failed on his own self-professed terms as a superior manager. His convention was the worst since George H.W. Bush 's in 1992, focusing more on his biography than a message. This left him open to President Obama 's barrage against his record at Bain Capital, which Mr. Romney failed to defend because that would have meant playing on Democratic turf, as his strategists liked to put it. The unanswered charges suppressed GOP turnout in key states like Ohio.

Mr. Romney's campaign team was notable for its mediocrities, led by a strategist whose theory of the race was that voters had already rejected Mr. Obama so the challenger merely needed to seem like a safe alternative. He thus never laid out an economic narrative to counter Mr. Obama's claim that he had saved the country from a GOP Depression and needed more time for his solutions to work.

And don't forget the management calamity of Mr. Romney's voter turnout operation, code-named Orca. Mr. Romney likes to say he reveres "data," but Mr. Obama's campaign was years ahead of Mr. Romney's in using Big Data and social media to boost turnout. The Romney campaign was so clueless on voter mobilization that well into Election Night the candidate still thought he would win. He lost a winnable race 51%-47%, including every closely contested state save North Carolina.

Mr. Romney had his good moments, notably choosing Paul Ryan as running mate and the first debate. He also, eventually, adopted solid proposals on tax and Medicare reform after his initial and forgettable 59-point plan. More comfortable with slide decks than ideas, he still struggled to make a compelling argument for the agenda he claimed to favor.

Mr. Romney's post-election diagnosis also doesn't inspire confidence that he has learned the right lessons. He said Mr. Obama won because he promised "extraordinary financial gifts" to voters. "It's a proven political strategy," Mr. Romney said. "Giving away free stuff is a hard thing to compete with." Maybe so, but if he can't sell a larger message of growth and opportunity, he won't defeat Hillary Clinton 's gifts either.

The GOP should have a strong chance in 2016, after two Democratic terms of trying to take the country sharply to the left. Democrats are already preparing to run a campaign focused on economic populism and government favors to the middle class. With his instinctive belief that "47%" of America would never vote for him, and his inability to defend his Bain record, Mr. Romney would be the ideal foil for such a campaign.

Republicans are likely to have a far better field in 2016, so voters won't lack for plausible Presidents. It's hard to see what advantages Mr. Romney brings that the many potential first-time candidates who have succeeded as governors do not.

garbon

Seems a bit odd to be writing in 2015 about the reason Romney gave in 2012 for why he lost. Are we supposed to assume that Romney has remained frozen in time over the last 2 years?

Also, I see they end with the same notion that there is a great field of first-time GOP candidates for 2016. Who is making up this great field? :D
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: garbon on January 14, 2015, 10:32:24 AM
Are we supposed to assume that Romney has remained frozen in time over the last 2 years?

Reading his op-eds and his speaking events, it sounds like he has been.  Nothing new at all.

derspiess

Lord, I hope Romney doesn't run in 2016 so we are spared Seedy calling him "Mittens" and thinking himself so clever for it.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

CountDeMoney

QuoteThe selling of Mitt 3.0
Romney is promising he'll be 'different' this time.


By Maggie Haberman and James Hohmann
Politico
1/12/15 7:50 PM EST
Updated 1/13/15 6:36 PM EST

Shortly after Election Day in 2012, a Mitt Romney supporter moaned to POLITICO about the failed GOP nominee's performance: "We had no message, and we gave it to the worst communicator in the world."

Two years later, Romney is mulling over another campaign for the White House, and this time, he says, things will be different.

In meetings with and individual calls to donors, supporters and former staffers, Romney is making it clear that he is likely to run, putting his time frame for a decision at "weeks, not months."

Romney, who made a fortune in the financial sector and was cast by Democrats in 2012 as a heartless businessman, wants to make tackling poverty — a key issue for his 2012 vice presidential running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan — one of the three pillars of his campaign. The former Massachusetts governor also says he'll have a different communications staff and hopes to show voters a version of himself they didn't get to see last time. (There's even a Netflix documentary he can point to.)

Yet interviews with more than a dozen staffers and supporters who have recently spoken with Romney reveal conversations in which he promises a "different" path forward without providing specifics about what that means as far as mechanics and his own sometimes gaffe-ridden performance. And, aside from most of his communications team, Romney would still be expected to bring back the majority of his old staff, sources said.

"He really has to show people that he'd do it differently, rather than just say he'd do it differently," said a former top adviser to Romney, one of half a dozen alumni to speak Monday with POLITICO. "He needs to assure folks he'd take a much more direct approach to laying out the vision for his campaign versus having those decisions driven by a bunch of warring consultants."

Romney announced Friday that he is considering running in 2016, in what would be his third attempt at the presidency. The first time, in 2008, he ran as a conservative. His decision came after Jeb Bush, the former governor of Florida, said he was actively exploring a White House run. On Monday, Ryan announced that he will not run for president, possibly an indicator that he believes Romney is serious.

"A lot of people don't think Jeb has the fire in the belly," said one uncommitted Republican donor, who expressed "shock" that Romney is considering another race.

Romney didn't leave much in the ashes of 2012 that was worth replicating. He was a skilled debater, but his campaign was criticized for its threadbare messaging, staff insularity, a lack of data savvy and a fatalistic approach to the press. Yet even that failed effort was meticulously prepared for by Romney, with years of tending to donors' neuroses and staffers' concerns.

And amid growing speculation that Romney would jump in the 2016 fray, doubts have persisted about his ability to improve his own performance. His own party's chairman, Reince Priebus, responded to calls for Romney to run again at a recent donor luncheon in Manhattan by pointing out the candidate's many self-inflicted wounds.

Romney and his top aides have often attributed the loss to events out of their control. Within two weeks of the loss, Romney bluntly told a large number of donors on a conference call that Obama unfairly put his thumb on the scale with policy "gifts" to key constituencies, "especially the African-American community, the Hispanic community and young people."

"In each case, they were very generous in what they gave to those groups," he said at the time.

Romney allies have also insisted to the former Massachusetts governor, and he has echoed in conversations he's had, that the main reason he lost in 2012 was that he was running against an incumbent president, and that he would have an easier path in 2016. In 2012, Romney veered well to the right to win over primary voters, moves many believe cost him in the general — but he has scoffed in private conversations at Bush's insistence that he won't do the same in order to win the nomination.

Regardless, "I think he'd be the first person to tell you, absolutely," he needs to run a better race, said Robert O'Brien, a California-based Republican donor who was recently courted by Texas Sen. Ted Cruz but who decided to wait to see where Romney stands. O'Brien, who said he'd received a call from Romney in recent days, added: "If he decides to run, I think you'll see a different campaign and I think you'll see a campaign in which the American people get to really know Mitt Romney as a person."

Bush and Romney already are calling many of the same donors and operatives, in some cases within hours of each other, to make their pitch, round up support and lay claim to staff. Romney has also called at least two key officials in the early primary state of New Hampshire, former Sen. Judd Gregg and his successor, current Sen. Kelly Ayotte, sources said. Romney and Bush are among prominent figures invited to the Republican National Committee meeting in San Diego this week, RNC spokesman Sean Spicer confirmed to POLITICO. Bush is not planning to attend the meeting, an aide to the former Florida governor said.

Romney, who just a year ago categorically ruled out a third White House run, is to some extent playing catch-up. Some of his former supporters are lining up behind Bush for 2016, and some staffers are reluctant to join him again. Romney has been burning up the phones to top members of his old finance team, and he hopes to bring back a majority of his old staff, sources said.

"There'll be a lot of old faces and some new faces," said one source who's spoken with him.

Romney has been in frequent touch with his longtime adviser Stuart Stevens, although it isn't clear whether he would be brought back in the chief strategist role he held last time. But Russ Schriefer, Stevens' partner and ad-maker, is aligned with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. People like former RNC official Ray Washburne have committed to playing key roles in a Christie campaign. And a number of donors say some Romney alumni would sooner back Christie than Bush, who's had past friction with Romney.

Polls show Romney as the leader on the GOP side and faring better in a general election than Bush. But the reality is likely to be harsher than the numbers suggest. For one thing, the emerging GOP field is large and includes several potentially strong contenders from gubernatorial and senatorial ranks.

"It would be difficult, hand-to-hand trench warfare," said Dave Carney, a New Hampshire-based strategist who was Texas Gov. Rick Perry's top adviser in 2012. "The class of competitors this time around are a class or two above the 2012 group of contenders. Misreading of polling data is a common affliction that unsuccessful, and too many successful politicians suffer. His first hurdle would be to explain how this campaign would be different then his last two failures."

A senior Romney adviser in 2012 said the former Massachusetts governor would approach the primaries very differently "by virtue of experience," determined not to utter the kind of self-destructive statements he did last time in order to outflank his challengers on the right. For instance, in 2012, he suggested pursuing policies that lead undocumented immigrants to "self-deport" — a remark that cost him badly among Hispanic voters in the general election.

Besides a focus on helping the poor, the other two pillars he's told people he would build a new campaign around are supporting the middle class and a muscular foreign policy, an area where he believes he was strongly vindicated from his 2012 campaign against President Barack Obama. Romney, for instance, warned about the strategic threat posed by Russia, which many at the time thought was an overstatement. The multimillionaire also is cognizant of the damage done last time by his derisive remarks about "47 percent" of the population, whom he cast as moochers.

"If he does go forward, there will be heavier doses of foreign policy," a senior adviser told POLITICO. "That was a strength of his last campaign. A lot of what he said has been borne out ... All that feeds into a narrative."

"The economic focus has to be different as well," he added. "There will be more focus on mobility and softer economic issues. There will also probably be more on upward mobility and opportunity."

Another senior official on the 2012 Romney effort said the campaign then struggled to scale up after it secured the GOP nomination. He believes a 2016 campaign would be organized from the start with a general election victory in mind.

"The value for the Obama campaign in '12 was the muscle memory," the adviser said. "They'd gone through the battles together and had trust. That doesn't mean you have to have the exact same team. You need the structure, but you don't need the exact same people. In '12, the Obama people could tap into the talent they had in 2008. In many ways, we have that type of apparatus in place for Mitt."

Advisers mulling over a 2016 Romney redux also hope the campaign will be smarter about spending. "Institutionally, they could raise the same amount as last time," a senior Romney alum said. "But, by having a team that knows where the pitfalls are, we could be 30 percent more efficient."

Another senior adviser who just spent time with Romney described him as genuinely relaxed and much looser than during the marathon of the 2012 campaign, but that he appears "very serious" about running again. The adviser said Romney is not as worried about money and support materializing as the coverage of the last few days suggests.

"His assumption is, if he decides to run, a lot of that stuff will come online," the adviser said. "He has a desire to be president. I'm not sure if he has an overwhelming desire to run for president. I tend to think this will flush out over the next 10 days."

Longtime Romney confidant Eric Fehrnstrom said it is premature to sketch out what a campaign organization would look like when the former governor has not made a final decision on whether to run. But he spoke to why Romney is giving the race another look.

"Our economy is still not as strong as it could be, long-term growth is in doubt, workers have gone a long time without pay raises and can't save for a kid's college or their own retirement, and around the world there's deep concern that as America's leadership has unraveled, hostile forces have filled the vacuum," Fehrnstrom wrote in an email. "Mitt Romney spoke to these issues in the last campaign, he was right on many of them, and I expect if he runs again they will form the core of another campaign for president."

James Carville, a longtime backer of Hillary Clinton, the presumed front-runner for the Democratic nomination in 2016, said Team Romney is engaging in wishful thinking. He not only has fared poorly with minority voters, a growing bloc, in the past, but the economy has improved significantly since 2012. Carville pointed out that Romneyites like to say what he got right but leave out that he predicted economic calamity if Obama was reelected.

"We know the demographics are going the wrong way for him, and if the trend is any good, it looks like the economy is going to be going the wrong way [for Romney too]," Carville said. He added that more generally, "2016 is going to be a challenging year for Republicans."

But another alumnus of Romney's presidential campaigns said a new effort would "tell the story of Mitt better." Several Romney veterans recalled how well the accounts from parishioners in Romney's Mormon community resonated with voters who had been bombarded with ads about his tenure at Bain Capital.

The documentary "Mitt," released by Netflix last year, further improved Romney's image. Campaign operatives had resisted giving the filmmakers access, but Romney's five sons opened up family meetings and other private conversations. The result was a production that humanized him and his Mormon faith.

"The movie really pulled the curtain back," one Romney alum said. "It's a good story to tell. We didn't do that last time, and it allowed Obama to paint a caricature. We'd show him as a person more. In the first campaign, we were so afraid to even mention the 'M' word. Now it doesn't even matter."

Tom Rath, a New Hampshire-based Republican and a longtime Romney backer who also received a call from him, said he believes the different circumstances of 2016 versus 2012 are in Romney's favor. He also expects Romney to make up his mind "sooner rather than later."

"The context of this campaign will be very different than the one we ran last time," Rath said. "There's not going to be a lot of surprises to him."

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on January 14, 2015, 10:37:31 AM
Lord, I hope Romney doesn't run in 2016 so we are spared Seedy calling him "Mittens" and thinking himself so clever for it.


derspiess

Quote from: garbon on January 14, 2015, 12:04:39 AM
I think, as a Republican, that I'm very disappointed in the Republican spread.

Try Nutella.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on January 14, 2015, 10:39:17 AM
Quote from: garbon on January 14, 2015, 12:04:39 AM
I think, as a Republican, that I'm very disappointed in the Republican spread.

Try Nutella.

Wouldn't figure you for for one to endorse European foodstuffs, Cap'n Murrica. 

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 14, 2015, 10:41:45 AM
Wouldn't figure you for for one to endorse European foodstuffs, Cap'n Murrica. 

I buy the generic Kroger version, actually.  Though that is also made in Italy :o
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

KRonn

Quote from: derspiess on January 14, 2015, 10:37:31 AM
Lord, I hope Romney doesn't run in 2016 so we are spared Seedy calling him "Mittens" and thinking himself so clever for it.

I don't really want him to run either. I think his time was last time but unless he has some kind of huge change in his style and can mitigate the slams on his wealth, he's not going to win either the Repub nomination or the White House, IMO.

Ed Anger

Quote from: derspiess on January 14, 2015, 10:39:17 AM
Quote from: garbon on January 14, 2015, 12:04:39 AM
I think, as a Republican, that I'm very disappointed in the Republican spread.

Try Nutella.

You seen the new Reese spread in stores? It taunts and torments my soul.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

derspiess

Quote from: Ed Anger on January 14, 2015, 10:58:00 AM
You seen the new Reese spread in stores? It taunts and torments my soul.

Yep.  Have you tried it? 
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Ed Anger

Quote from: derspiess on January 14, 2015, 11:08:20 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 14, 2015, 10:58:00 AM
You seen the new Reese spread in stores? It taunts and torments my soul.

Yep.  Have you tried it?

I have resisted the devil's temptation. So far.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on January 14, 2015, 11:08:20 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 14, 2015, 10:58:00 AM
You seen the new Reese spread in stores? It taunts and torments my soul.

Yep.  Have you tried it?

That and the Hershey's one have a more chocolatey taste than Nutella.  Almost too sweet, but I suppose that's specifically for the fat ass American palate.  :D