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derspiess

#11685
July 11, 2016, 10:13:26 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 11, 2016, 05:29:12 PM
I'm seeing stories in my news feed about GOP delegates having a real plan to depose Trump.  Is there really a serious chance of that, or is it just wishful thinking?  Clearly Trump is monumentally unfit, but is it tenable to basically annul the primary results?

I understand the urge to do it, but the GOP is just going to have to take its medicine and learn how to find better establishment candidates.  Long term, I think dumping Trump will hurt the party long term way more than keeping him for this election.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

CountDeMoney

#11686
July 11, 2016, 10:21:22 PM
I agree with the Teabagging gentleman from Cincitucky;  dumping Trump will only piss off the Teh BaseTM even more;  and aren't they pissed off enough as it is? 

Berkut

#11687
July 11, 2016, 10:27:40 PM
No, not really.
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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CountDeMoney

#11688
July 11, 2016, 10:35:16 PM
What, you don't think they could become even pissier?  They way they're going against the GOP establishment the last few election cycles,  at this rate they're looking at nominating Sheriff Joe Arpaio in 2020.

Razgovory

#11689
July 11, 2016, 10:54:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 11, 2016, 10:13:26 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 11, 2016, 05:29:12 PM
I'm seeing stories in my news feed about GOP delegates having a real plan to depose Trump.  Is there really a serious chance of that, or is it just wishful thinking?  Clearly Trump is monumentally unfit, but is it tenable to basically annul the primary results?

I understand the urge to do it, but the GOP is just going to have to take its medicine and learn how to find better establishment candidates.  Long term, I think dumping Trump will hurt the party long term way more than keeping him for this election.

The problem is not with candidates, it is with ideology.  A significant portion of the party has rejected Republican conservatism.  There was always a gap between economic doctrine and the social conservatives and we now know how wide the gap is.  The party is severely damaged.  Taking the nomination from Trump would do more damage, but Trump winning would inflict more.

The GOP only has itself to blame, they went with the southern strategy.  They played the dog whistle game for decades in the hope that the racist hicks would vote them in and only ask for cuts in welfare while they indulged in their free market fantasies.  "Political correctness", was long their greatest ally, they could both deflect charges of racism and while doing a minimum for the racist hicks.  Their hands were tied, by the liberals and the regime of "political correctness" they told the hicks.  Now they have Trump who "speaks his mind", promises to be tough on Hispanics and Muslims, and put the blacks back in their place.  The racist hicks are now commanding the party.  Now the tail wags the dog.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Phillip V

#11690
July 12, 2016, 04:23:34 AM
With the surprise return of former Senator/Governor Evan Bayh of Indiana, the Democrats may be positioned to retake the Senate.  Bayh previously retired smartly ahead of the 2010 mid-term election "shellacking", so he may be opportunistically sensing a Democratic wave this time around.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/evan-bayh-senate-indiana-225392

FunkMonk

#11691
July 12, 2016, 07:00:54 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 11, 2016, 10:35:16 PM
What, you don't think they could become even pissier?  They way they're going against the GOP establishment the last few election cycles,  at this rate they're looking at nominating Sheriff Joe Arpaio in 2020.

Teh Base's attention span is measured in TV commercial breaks and any defeat of Trump to Hillary, no matter how yuge, will be whistled away as, "Oh, he wasn't conservative/outsidery/anti-PC/blowhard/racist enough!" and they'll try again with an even shittier candidate.

The GOP elites needs grab the Republican base by the balls and bring them back to reality and relearn how to rule the base like the peasants they are. There's clearly no real leadership among the establishment and the base abhors power vacuums like it abhors science and knowledge.
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

Valmy

#11692
July 12, 2016, 10:46:11 AM
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/12/485694830/watch-in-show-of-party-unity-bernie-sanders-expected-to-back-hillary-clinton

QuoteThe lingering chasm between presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and her chief primary rival was bridged Tuesday, with Sen. Bernie Sanders teaming up with Clinton at a campaign event, where he formally endorsed Clinton's bid for the White House.

"Secretary Clinton has won the Democratic nominating process, and I congratulate her for that," Sanders said. "She will be the Democratic nominee for president and I intend to do everything I can to make certain she will be the next president of the United States.

"I have come here today not to talk about the past but to focus on the future. That future will be shaped more by what happens on November 8 in voting booths across our nation than by any other event in the world. I have come here to make it as clear as possible as to why I am endorsing Hillary Clinton and why she must become our next president."

The Sanders endorsement ends a lengthy — and awkward — period in which many were wondering if and how he would back Clinton. Five weeks ago, Clinton, the Democratic party's presumptive nominee, became the first woman in American history to secure enough delegates to clinch the nomination to head the ticket of a major party.

Before the event kicked off, NPR's Tamara Keith noted feuding chants of "Hillary" and "Bernie" coming from the crowd. There was also a younger Sanders supporter shouting "Never Hillary," as well as mentions of the FBI investigation into Clinton's email server, while sitting next to older women supporting Clinton, who appeared to be getting increasingly tense.

But Democrats now get a chance to turn the page on a contentious primary campaign and promote a party that is unified, just days before the Republicans are set to kickoff their own convention in Cleveland next week.

New Hampshire is a state Sanders won handily during the primary — by more than 20 points — and catapulted his bid for the nomination into a robust campaign that challenged Clinton longer than most had predicted.

The win helped Sanders massive amounts of money, more than the Clinton juggernaut — $225 million to Clinton's $210 million through the end of May. Sanders also outspent Clinton by $23 million ($216 million to $193 million).

Sanders rode a wave of massive rallies that filled college arenas, where he championed issues like beating back Wall Street's influence and overcoming income equality, which energize the liberal wing of the Democratic base, especially young voters and white liberals.

As NPR's Tamara Keith reported Monday, Democrats gathered in Orlando, Fla., this past weekend to hash out planks of the party's platform. It now includes pushing for tuition-free state college, a $15 minimum wage, limits on fracking, and other items Sanders campaigned on.

Since becoming the presumptive nominee, Clinton has campaigned alongside President Obama and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, both of whom are wildly popular among Democrats. She has also, of course, warned a Trump presidency would push the country in the wrong direction.

Back in 2008, it only took Clinton four days to come out in support of Obama after their long primary battle. Sanders, by contrast, has held out about a month from the end of the primary season. Both Clinton and Sanders huddled in Washington last month, and NPR's Tamara Keith has reported that both camps have maintained continual contact since that meeting.

Clinton's appearance alongside Sanders could do a lot to assuage his supporters who may remain on the fence about supporting her candidacy, especially among young voters. Democrats head to their party convention in Philadelphia where Clinton will be formally nominated later this month.

Sanders >>>> Corbyn

Come join us white liberals  :P
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garbon

#11693
July 12, 2016, 10:50:37 AM
Yes!
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

derspiess

#11694
July 12, 2016, 11:40:15 AM
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Razgovory

#11695
July 12, 2016, 11:41:36 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 12, 2016, 10:50:37 AM
Yes!

So Bernie Sanders is a better person than you are.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

garbon

#11696
July 12, 2016, 11:46:17 AM
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Valmy

#11697
July 12, 2016, 11:47:26 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 12, 2016, 11:41:36 AM
So Bernie Sanders is a better person than you are.

What does garbon's quality as a person have to do with anything? :hmm:
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

#11698
July 12, 2016, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 12, 2016, 11:46:17 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 12, 2016, 11:41:36 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 12, 2016, 10:50:37 AM
Yes!

So Bernie Sanders is a better person than you are.

Ok...

Unlike Bernie, you refused to support Obama when Clinton was defeated.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

garbon

#11699
July 12, 2016, 02:36:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 12, 2016, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 12, 2016, 11:46:17 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 12, 2016, 11:41:36 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 12, 2016, 10:50:37 AM
Yes!

So Bernie Sanders is a better person than you are.

Ok...

Unlike Bernie, you refused to support Obama when Clinton was defeated.

True but then I wasn't particularly bothered by McCain.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.
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