Korea Thread: Liberal Moon Jae In Elected

[dps]

It seems the implicit assumption is that nothing short of NK actually initiating war constitutes a casus belli.  Claiming to have WMD's and making endless bellicose threats against the USA and its allies isn't enough to justify a preemptive action. 

Of course it's largely to due to China and the damage war could cause to S.Korea or possiblyJapan, but still, it adds another dimension on how to think about the war with Iraq in 2003.

We should have glassed NK over as soon as they revealed that they had a nuke.

[mongers]

I could see something like a N.Korean commando raid like the one a couple of decades ago that tried to kill the S.Korean president.

Or maybe something like that submarine reconnaissance incident.

The advantage of these types of attacks is N.Korea gets to blow it's war trumpet and the S.Koreans stomp on it, but don't necessarily have to escalate into a major cross border retaliation, all the action having taken place in the south. 

So that's my 'bet' for the next couple of weeks.

[derspiess]

I could see something like a N.Korean commando raid like the one a couple of decades ago that tried to kill the S.Korean president.

Or maybe something like that submarine reconnaissance incident.

The advantage of these types of attacks is N.Korea gets to blow it's war trumpet and the S.Koreans stomp on it, but don't necessarily have to escalate into a major cross border retaliation, all the action having taken place in the south. 

So that's my 'bet' for the next couple of weeks.

It might be different this time.  Especially an assassination attempt on the ROK prez. 

[Neil]

Sheilbh was talking about hoping the US would not protest if China gave shelter to the NK leadership, since it would be dangerous. I called that out as appeasement.
You and Marty started talking about various different things. Thats pretty much what happened.

That's not what appeasement is though.

[Tamas]

Sheilbh was talking about hoping the US would not protest if China gave shelter to the NK leadership, since it would be dangerous. I called that out as appeasement.
You and Marty started talking about various different things. Thats pretty much what happened.

That's not what appeasement is though.

moral cowardice is moral cowardice.

[Jacob]

moral cowardice is moral cowardice.

That's true.

But what Sheilbh proposed is not moral cowardice. The point is not to bring Kim to "justice" so Hungarians will feel there was a suitable ending to the story.

[fhdz]

What do you think? Will North Korea do something truly stupid or is this just more of the elaborate game of chicken they've been playing for years?

[Valmy]

This is clearly being done for their own domestic consumption so they will not intend to really do anything.

[fhdz]

This is clearly being done for their own domestic consumption so they will not intend to really do anything.

I just read that as of today they've toned down their insults a bit - they just called us a "boiled pumpkin"

[fhdz]

In all seriousness, though, I think there's something to worry about simply from them turning the Yongbyon reactor back on. An accident could be worse in some cases than an attack.

[11B4V]

Norks??? Who gave them that name. Suppose the South is Sorks...

[Admiral Yi]

Souks would be consistent.

[11B4V]

Souks would be consistent.

Ah, quite so. Still stupid.

[Neil]

Sheilbh was talking about hoping the US would not protest if China gave shelter to the NK leadership, since it would be dangerous. I called that out as appeasement.
You and Marty started talking about various different things. Thats pretty much what happened.

That's not what appeasement is though.

moral cowardice is moral cowardice.

But that's not what we're talking about here.  What we're talking about here is letting dictators who retire without a fight enjoy their retirement, because that's a more effective use of our resources.

[derspiess]

Seems like a minor snub but possibly symbolic:

http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2969614&cloc=joongangdaily|home|newslist1

Beijing rejects North's envoy request

Apr 04,2013

BEIJING - Pyongyang has allegedly asked Beijing to send them an envoy in order to improve their soured relations, but Beijing turned it down, seen as a warning regarding the regime's recent warmongering rhetoric.