Iran test fires missile capable of reaching US bases or Israel

[The Brain]

I don't think what Timmay meant with Israel being "done for" was increased Iranian power and influence in the region. No sane person would say that Iran won't flex its new muscles a bit if they get them. Of course they will.

The risk of Israel being nuked can be very low compared to certainty and still be unacceptable. This also is not hard to grasp. Say that the risk is 1%. Does that mean that Israel will be done for? Likely not, and shrill outbursts to that effect are a bit ridiculous. Does it mean that it's OK to allow Iran to get the bomb? Likely not. It's a sliding scale.

[derspiess]

No, I am saying that arguments of the form "Y cannot possibly happen because country Z is much to rational to do such a thing!" have been made time and time again, and been wrong time and time again. I simply provided a couple of examples.

QFT.

[Valmy]

No, I am saying that arguments of the form "Y cannot possibly happen because country Z is much to rational to do such a thing!" have been made time and time again, and been wrong time and time again. I simply provided a couple of examples.

QFT.

But it has also been right time and time again.  Just saying.

[derspiess]

I don't think what Timmay meant with Israel being "done for" was increased Iranian power and influence in the region. No sane person would say that Iran won't flex its new muscles a bit if they get them. Of course they will.

The risk of Israel being nuked can be very low compared to certainty and still be unacceptable. This also is not hard to grasp. Say that the risk is 1%. Does that mean that Israel will be done for? Likely not, and shrill outbursts to that effect are a bit ridiculous. Does it mean that it's OK to allow Iran to get the bomb? Likely not. It's a sliding scale.

Your post needs more classic Brain one-liners

[The Brain]

I don't think what Timmay meant with Israel being "done for" was increased Iranian power and influence in the region. No sane person would say that Iran won't flex its new muscles a bit if they get them. Of course they will.

The risk of Israel being nuked can be very low compared to certainty and still be unacceptable. This also is not hard to grasp. Say that the risk is 1%. Does that mean that Israel will be done for? Likely not, and shrill outbursts to that effect are a bit ridiculous. Does it mean that it's OK to allow Iran to get the bomb? Likely not. It's a sliding scale.

Your post needs more classic Brain one-liners

I'll go sit in the corner a bit.

[jimmy olsen]

Iran becoming nuclear, which is probably inevitable given the current lack of balls in the west to do *anything* about it, is going to be a disaster.

How do you propose to stop Iran?

He already said how, strike their infrastructure.

[Berkut]

No, I am saying that arguments of the form "Y cannot possibly happen because country Z is much to rational to do such a thing!" have been made time and time again, and been wrong time and time again. I simply provided a couple of examples.

QFT.

But it has also been right time and time again.  Just saying.

You only need 1 example to disprove the claim though.

[Neil]

Oh, please, save us the rant, Berk...

Way to go straight to the heart of the argument with the ad hom. A nice start to your position.

That's not an ad hom, you fucking retard.  It's like you don't even know how to debate.

I feel sorry for your children, even more than I feel sorry for Hortlund's children, although not as bad as I feel for the children that Siegebreaker has despoiled.

[Faeelin]

Iran becoming nuclear, which is probably inevitable given the current lack of balls in the west to do *anything* about it, is going to be a disaster.

How do you propose to stop Iran?

He already said how, strike their infrastructure.

I am not sure if the global economy can handle shutting down the straits during the ensuing War, and I am not sure how much influence Iran still has in Basra.  If neither of these are likely to pose problems, then sure, let us attack Iran in the hopes of stalling for time.

[Berkut]

Oh, please, save us the rant, Berk...

Way to go straight to the heart of the argument with the ad hom. A nice start to your position.

That's not an ad hom, you fucking retard. 

You're boring Neil.

[Berkut]

Iran becoming nuclear, which is probably inevitable given the current lack of balls in the west to do *anything* about it, is going to be a disaster.

How do you propose to stop Iran?

He already said how, strike their infrastructure.

I am not sure if the global economy can handle shutting down the straits during the ensuing War, and I am not sure how much influence Iran still has in Basra.  If neither of these are likely to pose problems, then sure, let us attack Iran in the hopes of stalling for time.

Translation: We don't have the balls to do anything.

[Tamas]

I don't think what Timmay meant with Israel being "done for" was increased Iranian power and influence in the region. No sane person would say that Iran won't flex its new muscles a bit if they get them. Of course they will.

The risk of Israel being nuked can be very low compared to certainty and still be unacceptable. This also is not hard to grasp. Say that the risk is 1%. Does that mean that Israel will be done for? Likely not, and shrill outbursts to that effect are a bit ridiculous. Does it mean that it's OK to allow Iran to get the bomb? Likely not. It's a sliding scale.

Your post needs more classic Brain one-liners

Indeed. It kinda' freaked me out to read a long and coherent post from The Brain.

[Neil]

Oh, please, save us the rant, Berk...

Way to go straight to the heart of the argument with the ad hom. A nice start to your position.

That's not an ad hom, you fucking retard. 

You're boring Neil.

Perhaps, but I know what an ad hominem is.

[jimmy olsen]

Iran becoming nuclear, which is probably inevitable given the current lack of balls in the west to do *anything* about it, is going to be a disaster.

How do you propose to stop Iran?

He already said how, strike their infrastructure.

I am not sure if the global economy can handle shutting down the straits during the ensuing War, and I am not sure how much influence Iran still has in Basra.  If neither of these are likely to pose problems, then sure, let us attack Iran in the hopes of stalling for time.

Well, obviously you'd have to strike their military first to prevent them from having such capability.

[Maximus]

That's not an ad hom, you fucking retard. 

You're boring Neil.

That's not an ad hom. This is an ad hom.