The Empire Strikes Out - Inside the Battle of Hoth

[FunkMonk]

This thread makes me want to play TIE Fighter again.

The best post in the thread by far.

I can't find my old CDs. 

[The Minsky Moment]

But once you get there, why should anyone listen to you?  You don't have an especially large or powerful fleet, and you're only achievement is being a coward. 

Worked just fine for MacArthur. 

[Neil]

But once you get there, why should anyone listen to you?  You don't have an especially large or powerful fleet, and you're only achievement is being a coward. 

Worked just fine for MacArthur.

He never got to be President.

[MadImmortalMan]

But once you get there, why should anyone listen to you?  You don't have an especially large or powerful fleet, and you're only achievement is being a coward. 

Worked just fine for MacArthur.

He never got to be President.

DeGaulle then.

[Neil]

But once you get there, why should anyone listen to you?  You don't have an especially large or powerful fleet, and you're only achievement is being a coward. 

Worked just fine for MacArthur.

He never got to be President.

DeGaulle then.

DeGaulle ran so he could fight.

[DontSayBanana]

The last bit really hit home to me.  The clone troopers acted like a military, while the stormtroopers were almost comically bad.  Thinking of Hoth, remember those gunners scrambling to set up an E-WEB in the Falcon's hangar?  According to the semi-canon Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology, that monster could take up to ten minutes to fully deploy and charge- I always got the idea that it was the Imperial equivalent of resting a targeted assassination on a squad's SAW gunner.

Especially given Anakin's backstory, Vader was always more hype than actual skill.  He was capable enough for intimidation tactics, but finesse and discipline weren't exactly his strong point.  He was more of a barking dog that Palpatine let off the chain when he wanted to send a message.

ETA: Time for me to dust off my copy of TIE Fighter.  That game was and still is so incredibly awesome.

[grumbler]

So much intellectualizing. 

This shit is important, man.

Star Trek rewards intellectual debate.  Babylon 5 rewards intellectual debate.  But Star Wars?  There's nothing intellectual there.  It is just a fourth-rate space opera concept carried out without any concern for continuity or logic or overall plot.  Debating Vader's tactics at Hoth is no more "intellectual" than debating Dorothy's tactics against the flying monkeys.

[CountDeMoney]

Star Trek rewards intellectual debate.  Babylon 5 rewards intellectual debate.  But Star Wars?  There's nothing intellectual there.  It is just a fourth-rate space opera concept carried out without any concern for continuity or logic or overall plot.  Debating Vader's tactics at Hoth is no more "intellectual" than debating Dorothy's tactics against the flying monkeys.

Then start a Star Trek thread, and we can discuss exactly how Chambers' coil emissions could in no way possibly overload comms systems.

[Ed Anger]

Babylon 5 sucks.

[Viking]

Babylon 5 sucks.

see, intellectual debate!

[Ed Anger]

I shit out more compelling arguments every day.

[Viking]

I shit out more compelling arguments every day.

In that case I demand you perform like the (badly) trained monkey you are and fling some compelling arguments about who is better Sinclair or Sheridan.

[Ed Anger]

Both couldn't hold Janeway's jockstrap.

[PDH]

There you go.

[Ed Anger]

Janeway's reportedly had a huge penis.