To what extent are cigarette taxes being dodged?

Started by alfred russel, May 20, 2009, 12:08:19 PM

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alfred russel

May 20, 2009, 12:08:19 PM
Question for the smokers out there. A pack of cigarettes is pushing $10 here, are people switching to the internet? A quick search found Marlboro's for about $15 a carton, but I don't know if those sites are legit. I assume they don't pay taxes.
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Syt

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May 20, 2009, 12:11:20 PM
Plenty people here in Austria "import" from Ex-Yugo (in our student dorm Kosovars would go from door to door with cartons).
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crazy canuck

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May 20, 2009, 12:12:55 PM
Buying from Indian reserves is also a notoriously easy way to get around the tax in Canada.

DisturbedPervert

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May 20, 2009, 12:28:37 PM
$10 a pack?  Damn, that's a lot, that used to be luxury cigarette prices. 

derspiess

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May 20, 2009, 01:02:36 PM
IIRC, Ed used to bootleg cigarettes from KY to Ohio.  Not as much a reason to do that now with KY's tax rising from $.30 to $1.00 a pack.

I would have to think there would be a good option somehow to buy them from Indian reservations via mail order.  Anything that deprives the gubmint of its sin tax revenue is fine by me :)
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May 20, 2009, 01:44:52 PM
Most of the smokers I know buy them from the Indian tribes. No taxes.
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May 20, 2009, 01:52:45 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 20, 2009, 01:44:52 PM
Most of the smokers I know buy them from the Indian tribes. No taxes.

Ironically there is only one tiny Indian reservation in all of Texas.  Smokers here = screwed.
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May 20, 2009, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 20, 2009, 01:02:36 PM
IIRC, Ed used to bootleg cigarettes from KY to Ohio.  Not as much a reason to do that now with KY's tax rising from $.30 to $1.00 a pack.



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May 20, 2009, 02:08:29 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 20, 2009, 01:52:45 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 20, 2009, 01:44:52 PM
Most of the smokers I know buy them from the Indian tribes. No taxes.

Ironically there is only one tiny Indian reservation in all of Texas.  Smokers here = screwed.

NY repealed the tax exempt status for Indian cigarettes here. I guess they could smuggle them in from other states.
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alfred russel

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May 20, 2009, 02:27:00 PM
But what about mail order cigarettes? A quick search finds places like www.verycheapcigarettes.com, though I have no idea how legit those are.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
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Vince

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May 20, 2009, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: Strix on May 20, 2009, 02:08:29 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 20, 2009, 01:52:45 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 20, 2009, 01:44:52 PM
Most of the smokers I know buy them from the Indian tribes. No taxes.

Ironically there is only one tiny Indian reservation in all of Texas.  Smokers here = screwed.

NY repealed the tax exempt status for Indian cigarettes here. I guess they could smuggle them in from other states.

I think it was because Turning Stone Casino was making a killing.  Plus they and the Senecas started selling cartons online. 

saskganesh

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May 21, 2009, 07:34:38 AM
$15-$25 carton from the Six Nations.

as per the online discounters, I suspect they are tax dodging, much like the poker sites, with offshore virtual business addresses for admin, banking and billing. everything else about them is domestic. 
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Caliga

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May 21, 2009, 07:38:16 AM
When we drove up to Niagara Falls when I was a kid, my dad made us stop on the Onondaga Reservation so he could buy like 20 cartons of cigarettes.  :rolleyes:

They had Playboys there and I tried to flip through them but this old Indian lady caught me and ratted me out to my mom.  :ultra:
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May 21, 2009, 08:02:59 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 07:38:16 AM
When we drove up to Niagara Falls when I was a kid, my dad made us stop on the Onondaga Reservation so he could buy like 20 cartons of cigarettes.  :rolleyes:

They had Playboys there and I tried to flip through them but this old Indian lady caught me and ratted me out to my mom.  :ultra:

You should have distracted her with some beads.
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May 21, 2009, 08:08:30 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 21, 2009, 08:02:59 AM
You should have distracted her with some beads.
I wanted to give her a "nice, warm" blanket.  :menace:
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