Job Applicants' Cultural Fit Can Trump Qualifications

Started by MadImmortalMan, January 30, 2013, 06:29:55 PM

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garbon

Quote from: Martinus on February 01, 2013, 03:57:49 AM
Quote from: garbon on January 31, 2013, 11:01:57 AM
So basically act as though you aren't a person? Inevitably those things are going to come through.

Do you normally say you are gay at your job interview?

Nope but then I generally don't say that in my day-to-day life either. Irrelevant for most people I come in contact with.

So would you ding someone for wearing a wedding ring to an interview?
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Quote from: garbon on February 01, 2013, 06:22:06 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 01, 2013, 03:57:49 AM
Quote from: garbon on January 31, 2013, 11:01:57 AM
So basically act as though you aren't a person? Inevitably those things are going to come through.

Do you normally say you are gay at your job interview?

Nope but then I generally don't say that in my day-to-day life either. Irrelevant for most people I come in contact with.

So would you ding someone for wearing a wedding ring to an interview?

No, but for talking about their kids? Yes.

dps

Quote from: Martinus on February 01, 2013, 03:55:49 AM
And to be honest I don't really get the connection why not putting a condom on and/or being a heterosexual means you are responsible, dependable and devoted.  :huh:

The idea is that if you have others depending on you for their financial support, you're less likely to quit your job on a whim or do things that would result in being fired.  While I don't really subscribe to that view, it's not an unreasonable assumption that someone with more than just their own immediate desires to consider would be more responsible.  It's probably true to a limited extent, but IMO how responsible someone is is more a matter of individual differences.

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Quote from: Martinus on February 01, 2013, 03:55:49 AM
And to be honest I don't really get the connection why not putting a condom on and/or being a heterosexual means you are responsible, dependable and devoted.  :huh:

No it is the raising of the kids that indicates that and the things dps said.  The guy who has 29 kids with 27 women should probably NOT mention that in his job interview.  I mean use common sense here Marty.

Stats show there is a correlation, at least for men, but as we know correlation not causation etc.  There is a gay dude in my office who is raising his nieces and has a partner I have to say that is one responsible, dependable and devoted guy.  I am unaware if he has used condoms though.
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Quote from: Martinus on February 01, 2013, 03:55:49 AM
And to be honest I don't really get the connection why not putting a condom on and/or being a heterosexual means you are responsible, dependable and devoted.  :huh:
Have you ever known a gay who was responsible, dependable or devoted?

One should never, ever hire a gay.
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Quote from: dps on February 01, 2013, 10:58:34 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 01, 2013, 03:55:49 AM
And to be honest I don't really get the connection why not putting a condom on and/or being a heterosexual means you are responsible, dependable and devoted.  :huh:

The idea is that if you have others depending on you for their financial support, you're less likely to quit your job on a whim or do things that would result in being fired.  While I don't really subscribe to that view, it's not an unreasonable assumption that someone with more than just their own immediate desires to consider would be more responsible.  It's probably true to a limited extent, but IMO how responsible someone is is more a matter of individual differences.

I remember when I started out in Malthus' firm one junior associate had just bought a new house.  Someone, in a tone meant to imply they were joking but they really weren't, said that the partners will love to hear that as it means she was much less likely to ever leave the firm.  She wouldn't be able to afford the mortgage otherwise.
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Quote from: Barrister on February 01, 2013, 11:54:27 AM
I remember when I started out in Malthus' firm one junior associate had just bought a new house.  Someone, in a tone meant to imply they were joking but they really weren't, said that the partners will love to hear that as it means she was much less likely to ever leave the firm.  She wouldn't be able to afford the mortgage otherwise.

One of the oldest dirty tricks of management was to encourage employees to get married and start famillies and buy homes.  Then they knew they had them.
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Quote from: Valmy on February 01, 2013, 11:56:21 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 01, 2013, 11:54:27 AM
I remember when I started out in Malthus' firm one junior associate had just bought a new house.  Someone, in a tone meant to imply they were joking but they really weren't, said that the partners will love to hear that as it means she was much less likely to ever leave the firm.  She wouldn't be able to afford the mortgage otherwise.

One of the oldest dirty tricks of management was to encourage employees to get married and start famillies and buy homes.  Then they knew they had them.

Yup. All too true.

Without major life committments and big bills to pay, it is all to easy for associates to say "fuck this crap, I'm going to be an artist or a writer/volunteer for charity work in the Third world/devote my life to a good cause here at home".

Law work (for example) tends to be non-stop stress and many do not love that, and would not do it except that they need the cash. Yet it takes years to develop a good associate to the point where they are earning money. So firms want to know they are likely to stick around.
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Martinus

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Quote from: Martinus on February 01, 2013, 03:52:39 PM
Today I was talking to my boss about Dawid, my new flat and my mortgage. I always get nervous when she asks about my mortgage.  :ph34r:

I thought you were suppose to be rich.
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