Japan Threatens To Fire On Chinese Fighters, China: There Will Be No Second Shot

[Maximus]

come now, i've realized the futility of arguing this issue with you given the past debate, and acknowledge no mutual consensus will be reached, and you respond with "hehe, i win," - that's not very sportsmanlike!

I read that as a "lalala I'm not listening".

If it was intended to be an "let's agree to disagree" then that is my mistake and I apologize.

[LaCroix]

I read that as a "lalala I'm not listening".

If it was intended to be an "let's agree to disagree" then that is my mistake and I apologize.

np

[Josquius]

 The islands had nothing to do with the Sino-Japanese war. In the 19th century not every bit of land was claimed by a country the way things are today (Antarctica semi-excluded), there were lots of islands that belonged to no one.
Hell, throughout most of its history China barely even bothered with Taiwan let alone the Senkakus. The claims you see of them being Chinese territory down to 17th century sources and all that are just a mixture of nonsense and ignoring the historic Chinese worldview.

But even ignoring all this....they're legally Japanese anyway. The WW2 peace treaty spoke of "such minor islands as we determine", and the US occupied the Senkakus as part of Okinawa so clearly they were included in the determined small islands. Even if we pretend they once were Chinese they clearly haven't been for over a century and are legally Japanese.

[LaCroix]

The islands had nothing to do with the Sino-Japanese war. In the 19th century not every bit of land was claimed by a country the way things are today (Antarctica semi-excluded), there were lots of islands that belonged to no one.
Hell, throughout most of its history China barely even bothered with Taiwan let alone the Senkakus. The claims you see of them being Chinese territory down to 17th century sources and all that are just a mixture of nonsense and ignoring the historic Chinese worldview.

But even ignoring all this....they're legally Japanese anyway. The WW2 peace treaty spoke of "such minor islands as we determine", and the US occupied the Senkakus as part of Okinawa so clearly they weren't included in the determined small islands. Even if we pretend they once were Chinese they clearly haven't been for over a century and are legally Japanese.

i'll take that you didn't bother to read the link i posted, nor other research on the issue... taiwan, a province china "barely bothered with," indeed.

the treaty of frankfurt did not decide the issue of alsace-lorraine, and such has not decided the senkaku isles. sometimes, a Power must learn to let go. especially islands that are not worth... apparently anything

[Crazy_Ivan80]

sometimes, a Power must learn to let go. especially islands that are not worth... apparently anything

Exactly, China needs to... let...go.

[Valmy]

might does not make right, i guess

Man China is going to have to give back alot of its territory then.  I think they should just go with the might makes right thing.

[derspiess]

FREE TIBET

[Valmy]

FREE TIBET

[jimmy olsen]

i am not as worldly as you, tyr,

I don't care how many countries he's lived in, calling him worldly is a crime against the English language.

[Barrister]

FREE TIBET*

*with purchase of second Tibet of equal or greater value

[Phillip V]

Russian Jets Enter Japanese Airspace

'Japan said Russian fighter jets intruded on its airspace for the first time in five years, raising tensions between the two countries as Tokyo is engaged in a similar tangle with China.'

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324590904578289590050103704.html

[Neil]

The Senkakus are worth something:  The lives of every man, woman and child in China.  Should the Chinese make a move, it is essential to kill at least 99% of them.

[jimmy olsen]

The Senkakus are worth something:  The lives of every man, woman and child in China.  Should the Chinese make a move, it is essential to kill at least 99% of them.

I'm pretty sure even a full strength nuclear first strike wouldn't kill that many.

[Josquius]

Russian Jets Enter Japanese Airspace

'Japan said Russian fighter jets intruded on its airspace for the first time in five years, raising tensions between the two countries as Tokyo is engaged in a similar tangle with China.'

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324590904578289590050103704.html

So did Russian jets actually enter Japanese airspace or were they just around the occupied islands? The article is vague on which. I very much doubt the Japanese military went into Russian territory however as China is prone to doing in its dispute.

[Kleves]

You know what would be nice? A big war between China and Russia - both of the great enemies of humanity killing each other off.