New Hope for Freedom

[Jacob]

Glen Beck is proposing to build a new community based on freedom. Check it out: http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/01/10/take-a-tour-of-glenns-visionary-plans-for-independence/

While Independence is very much a dream at this point, the proposed city-theme park hybrid would bring several of Glenn's seemingly disconnected projects into one place. Media, live events, small business stores, educational projects, charity, entertainment, news, information, and technology R&D – all of these things would have a home in Independence. With the rest of the country and the world going away from the values of freedom, responsibility and truth, Independence would be a place built on the very foundation of those principles. A retreat from the world where entrepreneurs, artists, and creators could come to put their ideas to work. A place for families to bring their children to be inspired.

The ambitious project, projected to cost over two billion dollars, has been heavily influenced by Walt Disney. As Glenn has been explaining throughout the week, Disneyland was originally intended to be a place where people would find happiness, inspiration, courage and hope. Over time, Walt Disney's original vision has been lost. While hundreds of thousands still flock to the town, it's become commercialized and the big dreams and the heart have been compromised.

Glenn believes that he can bring the heart and the spirit of Walt's early Disneyland ideas into reality. Independence, USA wouldn't be about rides and merchandise, but would be about community and freedom. The Marketplace would be a place where craftmen and artisan could open and run real small businesses and stores. The owners and tradesmen could hold apprenticeships and teach young people the skills and entrepreneurial spirit that has been lost in today's entitlement state.

There would also be an Media Center, where Glenn's production company would film television, movies, documentaries, and more. Glenn hoped to include scripted television that would challenge viewers without resorting to a loss of human decency. He also said it would be a place where aspiring journalists would learn how to be great reporters.

Across the lake, there would be a church modelled after The Alamo which would act as a multi-denominational mission center. The town will also have a working ranch where visitors can learn how to farm and work the land. Independence would also be home to a Research and Development center where people would come to learn, innovate, educate, and create. There would be a theme park for people to recharge and have fun with their families. People would also have the option to live in Independence, with a residential area where people of different incomes could all come together and be neighbors.

If you don't like Beck, there's an alternative community being planned - the Citadel: http://www.iiicitadel.com/index.html

Apparently in the freedom loving community of the Citadel, it's mandatory to bear arms. There is also a map (so we know Timmy's in):

[derspiess]

Glenn Beck literally has more money than he knows what to do with.  I thought it would have already happened by now, but at some point he'll seriously overextend himself, it will all come crashing down and he'll be penniless.

[Jacob]

That sounds like an argument to go for the Citadel, rather than independence. The key values are:

Patriotism
Pride in American Exceptionalism
Our proud history of Liberty as defined by our Founding Fathers, and
Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes — such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina — or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

They also have a handy cost calculator for your home at the Citadel: http://www.iiicitadel.com/calculator.html

[Neil]

I think that the Citadel is a great idea, since it would allow a single bombing raid to solve a lot of problems.

[Kleves]

Over time, Walt Disney's original vision has been lost.

Translation: they let Jews in.

[derspiess]

I think that the Citadel is a great idea, since it would allow a single bombing raid to solve a lot of problems.

Oh, I'm sure they have underground bunkers.

[The Larch]

If you don't like Beck, there's an alternative community being planned - the Citadel: http://www.iiicitadel.com/index.html

Apparently in the freedom loving community of the Citadel, it's mandatory to bear arms. There is also a map (so we know Timmy's in):

I see that they're eagerly preparing for the zombie apocalypse and/or FBI raid.

[Razgovory]

So he's going Jonestown now?

[Viking]

I see that they're eagerly preparing for the zombie apocalypse and/or FBI raid.

Not quite, in the zombie apocalypse if one of the insiders gets infected they all get infect and they stay inside. The walls keep the walking dead in as well as out.

[MadImmortalMan]

I see that they're eagerly preparing for the zombie apocalypse and/or FBI raid.

Not quite, in the zombie apocalypse if one of the insiders gets infected they all get infect and they stay inside. The walls keep the walking dead in as well as out.

They also nicely contain the napalm blasts.

[Neil]

I think that the Citadel is a great idea, since it would allow a single bombing raid to solve a lot of problems.

Oh, I'm sure they have underground bunkers.

The hydrogen bomb is a hell of a bomb.

[Valmy]

I get having a model community to experiment with new ideas but why does it have to be a fortress?  And...Towers and a gatehouse?  That seems a little old school.  Are viking raiders a serious threat to freedom these days?

The Marketplace would be a place where craftmen and artisan could open and run real small businesses and stores. The owners and tradesmen could hold apprenticeships and teach young people the skills and entrepreneurial spirit that has been lost in today's entitlement state.

Yeah...it is entitlement why small artisans and traditional craftsmen are not dominating the economy these days.   I am not really sure about this notion that skills and entrepreneurial spirit is dead or is lost these days.  Where is the evidence for that?  Tons of small businesses are being started.

[Tamas]

What's with the hard-on for guns?
What Obama should do, is go strong against hair ribbons. Like, trying to regulate them. It would be hillarious to have these people walk around with ribbons in their hairs.

[derspiess]

What's with the hard-on for guns?
What Obama should do, is go strong against hair ribbons. Like, trying to regulate them. It would be hillarious to have these people walk around with ribbons in their hairs.

I don't think he has caused anyone to like guns more, so I don't think your analogy works.  It might work if you were to talk about hair ribbon sales going through the roof, however.

[mongers]

So he's going Jonestown now?

Yes, I thought, "oh he's forming his own cult now".

I hope there's a reality show about this, should be hilarious watching all those librarytarians/teabaggers failing to agree on anything or give even an inch to each other, in their quest to build a rural/fairyland idyll.