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Started by Razgovory, January 16, 2013, 01:23:20 AM

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derspiess

#15
January 16, 2013, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 16, 2013, 08:24:31 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 06:51:43 AM
Men and women do it every day by putting wedding bands on their fingers.

Call me Kunta Kinte.

No way, your name is Toby.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Martinus

#16
January 16, 2013, 11:00:23 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 16, 2013, 08:16:42 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 16, 2013, 03:53:47 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 16, 2013, 03:39:51 AM
Well duh, but slavery is involuntary. Raz's question is about indentured servitude.

The difference between slavery and indentured servitude is not whether it is voluntary or not (there have been cases of involuntary indentured servitude as a punishment of crimes for example) but a question of rights the person in such condition retains. So again you are wrong.

And what rights does a person retain after someone assists them in committing suicide?

*shakes head*

viper37

#17
January 16, 2013, 11:44:23 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 16, 2013, 01:23:20 AM
This is partial inspired by the recent suicide thread, and also by some libertarian stuff I read.  I pose a question:  Should a person be able to sell themselves into slavery?  While Slavery and Freedom seem antithetical at first glance, can a person be free to be a slave or does Freedom forbid this action between two consenting adults?
Possibly too many form of abuses possible.  I think it's better to let gamblers sacrifice their legs and arms for their hobby rather than their entire freedom.
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Ed Anger

#18
January 16, 2013, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 16, 2013, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 16, 2013, 08:24:31 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 06:51:43 AM
Men and women do it every day by putting wedding bands on their fingers.

Call me Kunta Kinte.

No way, your name is Toby.

KUNTA KINTE!

You white devil
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dps

#19
January 16, 2013, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 16, 2013, 11:55:38 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 16, 2013, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 16, 2013, 08:24:31 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 06:51:43 AM
Men and women do it every day by putting wedding bands on their fingers.

Call me Kunta Kinte.

No way, your name is Toby.

KUNTA KINTE!

You white devil

Geordi?

The Brain

#20
January 16, 2013, 01:32:27 PM
I don't think it would be good policy to make slavery legal.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Razgovory

#21
January 16, 2013, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 16, 2013, 11:00:23 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 16, 2013, 08:16:42 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 16, 2013, 03:53:47 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 16, 2013, 03:39:51 AM
Well duh, but slavery is involuntary. Raz's question is about indentured servitude.

The difference between slavery and indentured servitude is not whether it is voluntary or not (there have been cases of involuntary indentured servitude as a punishment of crimes for example) but a question of rights the person in such condition retains. So again you are wrong.

And what rights does a person retain after someone assists them in committing suicide?

*shakes head*

I wish you had studied logic and ethics once, then you could answer my questions.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#22
January 16, 2013, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 16, 2013, 01:32:27 PM
I don't think it would be good policy to make slavery legal.

Liberty and Freedom isn't about good policy.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

The Brain

#23
January 16, 2013, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 16, 2013, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 16, 2013, 01:32:27 PM
I don't think it would be good policy to make slavery legal.

Liberty and Freedom isn't about good policy.

OK, Genghis Hitler.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.
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