The Greatness That Was Once Britain - Something For Cal.

[OttoVonBismarck]

So Marti I know you love ragging on the U.S., but on some level don't you realize aside from the former Soviet Republics Poland has one of the most embarrassingly poor/weak histories of any nation?

[Martinus]

So Marti I know you love ragging on the U.S., but on some level don't you realize aside from the former Soviet Republics Poland has one of the most embarrassingly poor/weak histories of any nation?

Uh. Why do people every so often come up with some diss of Poland as a way of getting to me. I mean, I can understand people who do not know me, but anyone who has seen me posting for years knows that I am one of the most vocal critics of Poland.

What's next? Are you going to counter my criticism of protestantism by implying that since I was raised catholic, I do not recognize faults of catholicism? 

[Valmy]

So Marti I know you love ragging on the U.S., but on some level don't you realize aside from the former Soviet Republics Poland has one of the most embarrassingly poor/weak histories of any nation?

Really?  I think Polish history is pretty awesome.

But then I do not regard history as some sort of competitive sport.

[Martinus]

Well, Poles have an overly romanticised version of the dysfunctional anarchy that makes up the most of its pre-modern history.

It's great to tell stories about a country where there is no effective public law enforcement system and 90% of the population lives in virtual slavery, but must not be that nice to live in.

[Martinus]

In fact, it could very well be argued that "freedom per capita" in Poland increased significantly once Poland got partitioned (even including the part Russians took over - even if the Tsars' motivation for freeing the peasants was not exactly altruistic).

[Valmy]

Well, Poles have an overly romanticised version of the dysfunctional anarchy that makes up the most of its pre-modern history.

It's great to tell stories about a country where there is no effective public law enforcement system and 90% of the population lives in virtual slavery, but must not be that nice to live in.

Well to be fair 10% not living in virtual slavery wasn't too bad for the time.  And it is the dysfunctional anarchy that makes it cool...well that and the cheesy wings on the Hussars.

[Martinus]

Well, Poles have an overly romanticised version of the dysfunctional anarchy that makes up the most of its pre-modern history.

It's great to tell stories about a country where there is no effective public law enforcement system and 90% of the population lives in virtual slavery, but must not be that nice to live in.

Well to be fair 10% not living in virtual slavery wasn't too bad for the time. 

I don't know - in the 16th and 17th century a lot of European countries already had entire populaces pretty much living in freedom - sure, they had poverty and no political rights, but could not be sold like chattel or be killed with impunity by the remaining 10%.

[PDH]

Remember, Valmy is a Sans Culotte.  Unless the peasants are chopping off aristocrats heads, they are unfree.

[Valmy]

Remember, Valmy is a Sans Culotte.  Unless the peasants are chopping off aristocrats heads, they are unfree.

[CountDeMoney]

Really?  I think Polish history is pretty awesome.

But then I do not regard history as some sort of competitive sport.

I do.  Polish military history is like the history of the Dallas Cowboys.  Extreme highs, extreme lows, and the occasional Romo fuck-up.

[OttoVonBismarck]

So Marti I know you love ragging on the U.S., but on some level don't you realize aside from the former Soviet Republics Poland has one of the most embarrassingly poor/weak histories of any nation?

Uh. Why do people every so often come up with some diss of Poland as a way of getting to me. I mean, I can understand people who do not know me, but anyone who has seen me posting for years knows that I am one of the most vocal critics of Poland.

What's next? Are you going to counter my criticism of protestantism by implying that since I was raised catholic, I do not recognize faults of catholicism? 

Wasn't meant as a dig hombre, I'm aware no gay could ever be patriotic so I knew you weren't some Polish version of Joe America. I just see you posting about some sort of horrid part of Poland (like the pierogi, which is horrid) and its peasant background and I was reminded of just how mind-numbingly shitty Poland's history is.

[Martinus]

Well, that particular part of it is no more shitty than pretty much every other European nation.

Essentially, any national dish that does not involve cooking a large slab of cow or pig comes originally from the poor cooking something deemed inedible or cheap and making an art form out of it - any seafood or pasta are great examples.

[Ed Anger]

Really?  I think Polish history is pretty awesome.

But then I do not regard history as some sort of competitive sport.

I do.  Polish military history is like the history of the Dallas Cowboys.  Extreme highs, extreme lows, and the occasional Romo fuck-up.

So King John III Sobieski= Tom Landry?

[Barrister]

Essentially, any national dish that does not involve cooking a large slab of cow or pig comes originally from the poor cooking something deemed inedible or cheap and making an art form out of it - any seafood or pasta are great examples.

On this, Marti is wise.

[Razgovory]

So Marti I know you love ragging on the U.S., but on some level don't you realize aside from the former Soviet Republics Poland has one of the most embarrassingly poor/weak histories of any nation?

Uh. Why do people every so often come up with some diss of Poland as a way of getting to me. I mean, I can understand people who do not know me, but anyone who has seen me posting for years knows that I am one of the most vocal critics of Poland.

What's next? Are you going to counter my criticism of protestantism by implying that since I was raised catholic, I do not recognize faults of catholicism? 

Because you don't want to be Polish, yet you are.  You try to create an identity that is as far away from being what you consider "Polish" as possible.  But it never works.  You want to come off as an urbane, cultured gay man but all we see is an ignorant Polish rube. You can never escape who you are, and will always carry the burden of Poland on your back.

Besides, when we really want to insult you we just call you a Russian.