Elementary school shooting gun control pissing contest

[stjaba]

That this thread is twice as long as the one it spawned from tells you something about human nature right there.

Yes, it tells you that people feel the need to find reasonable laws that will prevent this kind of tragedy in the future

Only that global statistics of such tragedies seem to imply no correlation between laws and the chance of them happening. Germany and China are quite high on the list, despite having very tight gun control laws, for example.

I think the bigger picture is gun control in general. While the school shooting was obviously tragic, the US has around 11,000 firearm homicides a year, or are about 30 a day. So every day, the equivalent of the Newtown shooting school occurs. While mass shootings are probably less preventable than other kinds of firearm homicides, there's still the broad point that more gun control is needed.

[Queequeg]

Keep reading and hearing today that the. 223 was the primary weapon used.

[DGuller]

This does not seem to support the existence of a significant correlation between gun control laws and these incidents. 

If anything, this seems to suggests one thing we new already - Americans think they are special and overreact when shit that happens all over the world happens to them.

What are you talking about?  We got the top two spots.

[DGuller]

Keep reading and hearing today that the. 223 was the primary weapon used.

Yeah, it was a rifle after all.  Kind of obvious in hindsight, given that there were so few wounded.

[Fate]

Sounds like his mother was crazy as shit as well. Member of a survivalist society ("Doomsday Preppers movement"), stored tons of dried food, and kept an armory to defend herself in what prior to last week was one of the safest cities in America. According to her sister in law she was preparing for the economy to collapse.

[Martinus]

That this thread is twice as long as the one it spawned from tells you something about human nature right there.

Yes, it tells you that people feel the need to find reasonable laws that will prevent this kind of tragedy in the future

Only that global statistics of such tragedies seem to imply no correlation between laws and the chance of them happening. Germany and China are quite high on the list, despite having very tight gun control laws, for example.

I think the bigger picture is gun control in general. While the school shooting was obviously tragic, the US has around 11,000 firearm homicides a year, or are about 30 a day. So every day, the equivalent of the Newtown shooting school occurs. While mass shootings are probably less preventable than other kinds of firearm homicides, there's still the broad point that more gun control is needed.

Yeah but then it does not make sense (except as an appeal to emotions) to say that one wants stricter gun control so that such tragedies do not happen.

[The Brain]

What is it with people and not keeping their guns locked away?

[alfred russel]

Sounds like his mother was crazy as shit as well. Member of a survivalist society ("Doomsday Preppers movement"), stored tons of dried food, and kept an armory to defend herself in what prior to last week was one of the safest cities in America. According to her sister in law she was preparing for the economy to collapse.

Well, the economy has collapsed and she was killed by an act of violence in one of the safest cities in America. Who's crazy now?

[stjaba]

Yeah but then it does not make sense (except as an appeal to emotions) to say that one wants stricter gun control so that such tragedies do not happen.

Sometimes it takes tragedies and bare appeals to emotion to get important policy changes. It's happened before and it will happen again.

[mongers]

Sounds like his mother was crazy as shit as well. Member of a survivalist society ("Doomsday Preppers movement"), stored tons of dried food, and kept an armory to defend herself in what prior to last week was one of the safest cities in America. According to her sister in law she was preparing for the economy to collapse.

Really, is this verified ?

I just thought those people were harmless loones, though I guess most actions have consequences, intended or not.

[CountDeMoney]

Sounds like his mother was crazy as shit as well. Member of a survivalist society ("Doomsday Preppers movement"), stored tons of dried food, and kept an armory to defend herself in what prior to last week was one of the safest cities in America. According to her sister in law she was preparing for the economy to collapse.

Really, is this verified ?

I just thought those people were harmless loones, though I guess most actions have consequences, intended or not.

She was a harmless loony.  She got shot in the face by the not-so-harmless loony, remember?

[mongers]

Sounds like his mother was crazy as shit as well. Member of a survivalist society ("Doomsday Preppers movement"), stored tons of dried food, and kept an armory to defend herself in what prior to last week was one of the safest cities in America. According to her sister in law she was preparing for the economy to collapse.

Really, is this verified ?

I just thought those people were harmless loones, though I guess most actions have consequences, intended or not.

She was a harmless loony.  She got shot in the face by the not-so-harmless loony, remember?

Yes, but the eschatological frenzy these loose groupings generate, might help to push looser wing-nuts over the 'edge' so to speak. 

[CountDeMoney]

Yes, but the eschatological frenzy these loose groupings generate, might help to push looser wing-nuts over the 'edge' so to speak.

Meh, I sincerely doubt this kid's pathology was fueled by prepper stockpiling.  Anti-social sociopaths don't work that way.

[derspiess]

Yeah, I that doesn't really add up, and mongers,

[CountDeMoney]

Authorities said Adam Lanza had no criminal history, and it was not clear whether he had a job. Lanza was believed to have suffered from a personality disorder, said a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Another law enforcement official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said Lanza also had been diagnosed with Asperger's, a mild form of autism often characterized by social awkwardness.

People with the disorder are often highly intelligent. While they can become frustrated more easily, there is no evidence of a link between Asperger's and violent behavior, experts say.

The law enforcement officials insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the unfolding investigation.

Richard Novia, the school district's head of security until 2008, who also served as adviser for the high school technology club, of which Lanza was a member, said he clearly "had some disabilities."

"If that boy would've burned himself, he would not have known it or felt it physically," Novia said in a phone interview. "It was my job to pay close attention to that."

Sincerely doubt Mommy's prepper stockpiling was the trigger, mongers.