Baseball 2013

[jimmy olsen]

Ban them for life, then admit them once they're dead. Problem solved!

[Valmy]

Was Piazza a roider?  I do not really remember.  I am pretty sure Pudge was.

[alfred russel]

I don't understand why you would admit someone to the hall of fame that contributed to the really bad position the steroid users put the sport in.

Absolutely include them in the museum. Have giant exhibits on the prowess and records of Bonds, as well as that crazy season where McGwire and Sosa both broke the HR record. I just don't see why those guys should be inducted as members.

[alfred russel]

Was Piazza a roider?  I do not really remember.  I am pretty sure Pudge was.

I don't think there is strong evidence he was.

[jimmy olsen]

I don't understand why you would admit someone to the hall of fame that contributed to the really bad position the steroid users put the sport in.

Absolutely include them in the museum. Have giant exhibits on the prowess and records of Bonds, as well as that crazy season where McGwire and Sosa both broke the HR record. I just don't see why those guys should be inducted as members.

Bad position? It's not like people stopped going to the games once the truth came out.

[sbr]

Was Piazza a roider?  I do not really remember.  I am pretty sure Pudge was.

There was no real evidence against Piazza that I am aware of; other than a bad case of back acne and going from a non prospect to the best hitting catcher ever right in the middle of the Steroid Era^TM.

[CountDeMoney]

Was Piazza a roider?  I do not really remember.

Meh, there were more questions about his sexuality than roiding.

And he was an awesome offensive player;  shitty defense, though.

[The Minsky Moment]

Ban them for life, then admit them once they're dead. Problem solved!

I don't understand the logic behind that.  Either they merit entry or they don't.  It's not appropriate to use a Hall of Fame vote to chastise someone personally.

[The Minsky Moment]

I don't understand why you would admit someone to the hall of fame that contributed to the really bad position the steroid users put the sport in.

The sport put itself in that position. 
What I don't understand is why after decades of Hall of Fame voting where little account was ever taken about evidence of illegal drug or PED use, the standard has changed all of sudden.

[CountDeMoney]

It's not appropriate to use a Hall of Fame vote to chastise someone personally.

Why not, the entire press community of Cleveland does it.

[jimmy olsen]

Ban them for life, then admit them once they're dead. Problem solved!

I don't understand the logic behind that.  Either they merit entry or they don't.  It's not appropriate to use a Hall of Fame vote to chastise someone personally.

Logic, smogic! The Hall of Fame is about feelings!

[Sophie Scholl]

Look at the stats and place them in accordingly.  Simply throw the old asterisk at the end if you absolutely need to and have a legitimate display piece on the Steroid Era and how it happened and why.  There have been many "eras" of questionable tactics and now illegal game elements that were used, this is simply the closest one to our era and one that baseball is ashamed of due to every layer's collective refusal to step up and fix it.

[Valmy]

There have been many "eras" of questionable tactics and now illegal game elements that were used

Nonsense.  Ed Walsh would have gone 40-15 with a 1.42 ERA spitball or no spitball.

[dps]

Ban them for life, then admit them once they're dead. Problem solved!

And that's exactly what happens to those who fail 3 drug tests.  Doesn't help at all for anybody on the ballot now, does it?

[alfred russel]

I don't understand why you would admit someone to the hall of fame that contributed to the really bad position the steroid users put the sport in.

Absolutely include them in the museum. Have giant exhibits on the prowess and records of Bonds, as well as that crazy season where McGwire and Sosa both broke the HR record. I just don't see why those guys should be inducted as members.

Bad position? It's not like people stopped going to the games once the truth came out.

More than any other sport history, statistics, and records matter in baseball, and steroids have really tainted them. That is a bad position for the sport to be in.