Weapons Question: Crossbows vs. Early Firearms

Started by Malthus, November 21, 2012, 05:46:34 PM

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Viking

#75
November 23, 2012, 09:48:22 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 23, 2012, 09:23:48 AM
I find it hard to believe that your run of the mill knight kept two suits of armor in the closet.

I find it hard to believe that there was such a thing as a run of the mill knight.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

The Brain

#76
November 23, 2012, 10:40:00 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 23, 2012, 09:23:48 AM
I find it hard to believe that your run of the mill knight kept two suits of armor in the closet.

Why?
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

The Brain

#78
November 23, 2012, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 23, 2012, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: The Brain on November 23, 2012, 10:40:00 AM
Why?

Because they cost a shitload.

My impression is that jousting was the sport of the aristocracy.
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Razgovory

#80
November 23, 2012, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 23, 2012, 09:23:48 AM
I find it hard to believe that your run of the mill knight kept two suits of armor in the closet.

I don't think all knights participated in jousts.  It may not have required two totally separate suits of armor just some pieces.  I don't think early knights used special armor for jousting, it may have been late invention.  There were certainly jousting helmets that were unsuited for actual combat.
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Malthus

#81
November 23, 2012, 01:41:11 PM
"Jousting armour" was indeed a later invention, and it was much heavier than armour actually used in battle - it was specialized for the game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jousting_armour#Jousting_armour

It is this stuff which gave rise to the misconceptions about medieval knights being unable to move in armour, being winched onto their horses, etc. This form of armour was (a) not medieval, and (b) not intended for actual warfare - only for the game of jousting, which only involved poking at each other with lances on horseback.

Earlier "jousts" were more like actual battles and used ordinary armour.
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sbr

#82
November 23, 2012, 01:42:33 PM
What sort of armor did they use in the jousts with flying ostriches?

crazy canuck

#83
November 23, 2012, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: Malthus on November 23, 2012, 01:41:11 PM
"Jousting armour" was indeed a later invention, and it was much heavier than armour actually used in battle - it was specialized for the game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jousting_armour#Jousting_armour

It is this stuff which gave rise to the misconceptions about medieval knights being unable to move in armour, being winched onto their horses, etc. This form of armour was (a) not medieval, and (b) not intended for actual warfare - only for the game of jousting, which only involved poking at each other with lances on horseback.

Earlier "jousts" were more like actual battles and used ordinary armour.

Yi could still be right if the knights didnt keep it in a closet.

PDH

#84
November 23, 2012, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 23, 2012, 01:42:33 PM
What sort of armor did they use in the jousts with flying ostriches?

One that allowed hitting the two buttons fast enough to stay airborne.
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Iormlund

#85
November 23, 2012, 06:18:42 PM
Quote from: Malthus on November 23, 2012, 01:41:11 PM
Earlier "jousts" were more like actual battles and used ordinary armour.

I seem to recall late Roman Equites using dedicated, ornate armor for mock battles. Can't place where I read about it though.

Jacob

#86
November 23, 2012, 06:29:56 PM
Quote from: Viking on November 23, 2012, 09:48:22 AM
I find it hard to believe that there was such a thing as a run of the mill knight.

Don Quixote.

Oh wait... he was a run at the mill knight.

Viking

#88
November 23, 2012, 06:35:56 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 23, 2012, 06:29:56 PM
Quote from: Viking on November 23, 2012, 09:48:22 AM
I find it hard to believe that there was such a thing as a run of the mill knight.

Don Quixote.

Oh wait... he was a run at the mill knight.

:yeah:
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

sbr

#89
November 23, 2012, 06:37:26 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 23, 2012, 06:29:56 PM
Quote from: Viking on November 23, 2012, 09:48:22 AM
I find it hard to believe that there was such a thing as a run of the mill knight.

Don Quixote.

Oh wait... he was a run at the mill knight.

:lol:
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