Fiscal Cliff MEGATHREAD: Wile E. Economy falls off, lands in cloud at bottom

[jimmy olsen]

89-8 in the senate but not good enough for the House.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Think I've mentioned before, but Cantor is our local rep here. Sometimes I've regretted voting for him every time just because he's been really recalcitrant as of late, when he shouldn't be. But in this case you have a Senate bill that will raise the debt by $4 tn over 10 years, and contains virtually no spending cuts. I think we have to get spending cuts in there right now. Once the tax stuff is passed we're back to only having the debt ceiling as a lever to use on the Democrats, and that causes far more problems than just having a showdown to get out spending cuts in the here and now.

[CountDeMoney]

Think I've mentioned before, but Cantor is our local rep here. Sometimes I've regretted voting for him every time just because he's been really recalcitrant as of late, when he shouldn't be.

You should regret it;  he's a typical Virginian politician that caters to the redneck mouthbreathing demo, so it's not surprising he's as much of a dickhead as he is.  You're supposed to be smarter than that.

But in this case you have a Senate bill that will raise the debt by $4 tn over 10 years, and contains virtually no spending cuts. I think we have to get spending cuts in there right now. Once the tax stuff is passed we're back to only having the debt ceiling as a lever to use on the Democrats, and that causes far more problems than just having a showdown to get out spending cuts in the here and now.

The priority for this bill is to stave off the tax problem at the turn of the year, not solving the entire spending enchilada.  That comes later.  Except when it comes to Defense and Social Security, then the GOP will say "what cuts?"

[Razgovory]

Think I've mentioned before, but Cantor is our local rep here. Sometimes I've regretted voting for him every time just because he's been really recalcitrant as of late, when he shouldn't be. But in this case you have a Senate bill that will raise the debt by $4 tn over 10 years, and contains virtually no spending cuts. I think we have to get spending cuts in there right now. Once the tax stuff is passed we're back to only having the debt ceiling as a lever to use on the Democrats, and that causes far more problems than just having a showdown to get out spending cuts in the here and now.

You really shouldn't have any kind of level at all.  I mean, the GOP did lose the last election.  The situation the GOP finds itself in is one of their own making.  Instead of making a deal two years ago, they chose to hold off in the hopes winning the whitehouse and Senate and not having to compromise.  Now their plan has backfired, and the Republicans should have to bleed badly for making these reckless gambles.  Honestly I don't see why they should get anything.

[11B4V]

GOP has no leverage

[CountDeMoney]

Of course it does;  it has the House of Representatives.

[Neil]

The Clinton-era tax rates are a problem?  For shame, CdM.  Ideologue will kick you out of the Commie Club.

[CountDeMoney]

The Clinton-era tax rates are a problem?  For shame, CdM.  Ideologue will kick you out of the Commie Club.

Ideologue has his own problems to worry about.

[Razgovory]

Of course it does;  it has the House of Representatives.

I'm sorta confused on how we got in a situation where if the Republicans win an election they get everything they want, and if Democrats win they have to negotiate with Republicans.

[jimmy olsen]

The Republicans in the government have two things that the Democrats don't, spines and unity.

The first problem is definitely fixable.

[CountDeMoney]

Of course it does;  it has the House of Representatives.

I'm sorta confused on how we got in a situation where if the Republicans win an election they get everything they want, and if Democrats win they have to negotiate with Republicans.

This is what happens when one party is interested in governing, and the other is interested in abolishing government.

[jimmy olsen]

Looks like it might get passed after all.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/01/16288012-fiscal-cliff-deal-house-okays-proposal-after-gop-objections?lite

[Razgovory]

Of course it does;  it has the House of Representatives.

I'm sorta confused on how we got in a situation where if the Republicans win an election they get everything they want, and if Democrats win they have to negotiate with Republicans.

This is what happens when one party is interested in governing, and the other is interested in abolishing government.

It's like trying to negotiate with Hamas.  We are quickly reaching the point where government will stop functioning.  While all those Dipshit Republicans and Libertarians think that's what they want, they will become disappointed when their social security and veterans benefits checks stop coming in.

[11B4V]

Looks like it might get passed after all.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/01/16288012-fiscal-cliff-deal-house-okays-proposal-after-gop-objections?lite

Of course it did. GOP doesnt want to shoot themselves in the face again. 

[11B4V]

The Republicans in the government have two things that the Democrats don't, spines and unity.

The first problem is definitely fixable.

How do you figure this?