UK student facing trial for spreading pro-liberty propaganda

[merithyn]

Think I could just petition for the 5000 pounds and promise not to write in chalk? I need it for dental work.

Truly you are British in spirit and all, saving just the passport.

[Viking]

Just to echo P.W. comment, you're seriously need to change you username to something more appropriate, may I suggest 'Wuss'.

So a guy puts on a yellow high-vis jacket with 'security' written on it and you feel obliged to do and say what he 'thinks' appropriate.

I've had security people say the most ludicrous things to me on occasion, like "oh you can't hand out leaflets on the high street as it breaks health an safety regulations" or "what if you upset someone" etc.
Should I kowtow to any tom,dick and harry and be grateful at the same time.

First of all I do know my rights. I don't just do what I am told in any place at all times. Persons of authority have scopes to that authority and when I am within that scope I listen. I don't argue with barmaids, I do what they tell me. I don't argue with bouncers, I do what they tell me. I don't argue with airline stewardesses and stewards, airport safety screeners, policemen, policewomen or teachers. I don't get angry, I do what I am told and get their credentials.

The consequences of this is that I get tremendous leeway in my local bars and clubs. The staff know me and know if they ask me to take a walk around the block or drink a pint of water or go home I will, it also means that they always err on my side. If I get into a drunken shouting match about Individual transferrable quotas or the leninist islamist who just got the norwegian version of the OBE I don't get dirty looks from the bouncer, I get told to be less loud and get asked if I want another beer. 

[Neil]

The lesson here is that one should listen to police officers when they ask nicely. Piss one off and he can fuck your day up.

And it seems the officers feel completely comfortable wasting thousands in public funds to teach a singular random person this lesson.

That's what public order is based on.  You libertarians can go fuck yourselves.

Public order is based on spending lots of money to teach one person a lesson?

Yes.

[Viking]

The lesson here is that one should listen to police officers when they ask nicely. Piss one off and he can fuck your day up.

And it seems the officers feel completely comfortable wasting thousands in public funds to teach a singular random person this lesson.

That's what public order is based on.  You libertarians can go fuck yourselves.

Public order is based on spending lots of money to teach one person a lesson?

How much is it worth to society that a person be well behaved?

[garbon]

The lesson here is that one should listen to police officers when they ask nicely. Piss one off and he can fuck your day up.

And it seems the officers feel completely comfortable wasting thousands in public funds to teach a singular random person this lesson.

That's what public order is based on.  You libertarians can go fuck yourselves.

Public order is based on spending lots of money to teach one person a lesson?

How much is it worth to society that a person be well behaved?

I don't see how that's relevant considering that I don't think chalking a side walk is an example of bad behavior.

[mongers]

Just to echo P.W. comment, you're seriously need to change you username to something more appropriate, may I suggest 'Wuss'.

So a guy puts on a yellow high-vis jacket with 'security' written on it and you feel obliged to do and say what he 'thinks' appropriate.

I've had security people say the most ludicrous things to me on occasion, like "oh you can't hand out leaflets on the high street as it breaks health an safety regulations" or "what if you upset someone" etc.
Should I kowtow to any tom,dick and harry and be grateful at the same time.

First of all I do know my rights. I don't just do what I am told in any place at all times. Persons of authority have scopes to that authority and when I am within that scope I listen. I don't argue with barmaids, I do what they tell me. I don't argue with bouncers, I do what they tell me. I don't argue with airline stewardesses and stewards, airport safety screeners, policemen, policewomen or teachers. I don't get angry, I do what I am told and get their credentials.

The consequences of this is that I get tremendous leeway in my local bars and clubs. The staff know me and know if they ask me to take a walk around the block or drink a pint of water or go home I will, it also means that they always err on my side. If I get into a drunken shouting match about Individual transferrable quotas or the leninist islamist who just got the norwegian version of the OBE I don't get dirty looks from the bouncer, I get told to be less loud and get asked if I want another beer.

Wuss, it is then.


I note you haven't addressed you're sucking up to security guards.

[Viking]

The lesson here is that one should listen to police officers when they ask nicely. Piss one off and he can fuck your day up.

And it seems the officers feel completely comfortable wasting thousands in public funds to teach a singular random person this lesson.

That's what public order is based on.  You libertarians can go fuck yourselves.

Public order is based on spending lots of money to teach one person a lesson?

How much is it worth to society that a person be well behaved?

I don't see how that's relevant considering that I don't think chalking a side walk is an example of bad behavior.

Respecting the police is.

[garbon]

Respecting the police is.

I'm not sure it is good for public order if the police can request you to do anything and you must comply.

[Viking]

Respecting the police is.

I'm not sure it is good for public order if the police can request you to do anything and you must comply.

When it comes within the scope of their authority then you should. It is within the authority of the police to confront those who are defacing public property. The public sidewalk is public property.

[merithyn]

Respecting the police is.

I'm not sure it is good for public order if the police can request you to do anything and you must comply.

When it comes within the scope of their authority then you should. It is within the authority of the police to confront those who are defacing public property. The public sidewalk is public property.

I believe the question is whether it's truly "defacing public property" when it's sidewalk chalk.

[Viking]

Respecting the police is.

I'm not sure it is good for public order if the police can request you to do anything and you must comply.

When it comes within the scope of their authority then you should. It is within the authority of the police to confront those who are defacing public property. The public sidewalk is public property.

I believe the question is whether it's truly "defacing public property" when it's sidewalk chalk.

I believe that when it comes to public property then it is the responsible local officer of the state that gets to decide that.

[mongers]

Respecting the police is.

I'm not sure it is good for public order if the police can request you to do anything and you must comply.

His username broke his irony meter.

[Viking]

Respecting the police is.

I'm not sure it is good for public order if the police can request you to do anything and you must comply.

His username broke his irony meter.

So, which special commodity do you deal in?

[garbon]

Respecting the police is.

I'm not sure it is good for public order if the police can request you to do anything and you must comply.

When it comes within the scope of their authority then you should. It is within the authority of the police to confront those who are defacing public property. The public sidewalk is public property.

Disagree when things like this are so unevenly applied. Then it just becomes a method by which the police can terrorize citizens.

[garbon]

Respecting the police is.

I'm not sure it is good for public order if the police can request you to do anything and you must comply.

When it comes within the scope of their authority then you should. It is within the authority of the police to confront those who are defacing public property. The public sidewalk is public property.

I believe the question is whether it's truly "defacing public property" when it's sidewalk chalk.

I believe that when it comes to public property then it is the responsible local officer of the state that gets to decide that.

But that's not even true. The Crown Prosecution Service dropped the case.