Voting for President, for the wrong reasons?

[Barrister]

Why?  If Republicans control Congress and the White House they're now pretty much obliged to go work together.  And as Frum points out, it's almost inevitable that the party not holding the White House picks up seats in off-year elections.

You can play the Raz blame game and say "I don't want to reward House Republicans", but you have to vote based on the facts as they are, not on the facts as you wish they'd be.

So if the Democrats emulate the Republicans in a successful strategy of obstruction, would it then be right to vote for the Democrats?

This is one of those situations where hypotheticals aren't real useful.

The question is - who should you vote for in 2012.

Who would you vote for if the Bull Moose Party was running really doesn't add much to the discussion.

[Razgovory]

Okay, I'll ask you the same question next week, maybe it'll be less hypothetical if Romney wins.

[CountDeMoney]

All he wants is the Presidency, because it's the Presidency.  He believes in nothing, except saying, doing and promising anything to anybody to get there. 

So he's Obama?

No, he's not.
You may not like what he delivered, whether it was healthcare reform or the way he recapitalized the banks or the mini-stim of 2010, but he's delivered on what he's said to deliver, as much as he's been able to, considering today's Congress.

What Mittens' problem is, is that Mittens has promised multiple deliveries on any given topic, from Severe Conservative to Moderate Mittens. It's all just a dartboard trying to figure out this guy.  Obama's a lefty, has delivered as a lefty, and can be reasonably believed that he will continue to be a lefty in a 2nd term.  Whether or not you're comfortable with that, hey, that's your political philosophy.  But at least you have a reliable barometer on where he is on the map.

Never thought I'd say it, but I'd actually prefer Dubya over this guy--I disagreed with a lot of his Administration's moves, but at least he laid out in front of you what he believed, what he was going to do, and then he went out and fucking did it.  For all his faults, at least he had his convictions and stuck with them, come hell or high water.
 
But this guy?  He's just bad news.

[jimmy olsen]

I agree with what you said 100% Berkut, and it's why I voted Democrat for the first time this election.

The Republicans in congress simply cannot be rewarded for their atrocious behavior, made worse by the fact that Obama's mostly governed as what would have been considered a moderate Republican just 10 years ago.

[Phillip V]

All he wants is the Presidency, because it's the Presidency.  He believes in nothing, except saying, doing and promising anything to anybody to get there. 

So he's Obama?

No, he's not.
You may not like what he delivered, whether it was healthcare reform or the way he recapitalized the banks or the mini-stim of 2010, but he's delivered on what he's said to deliver, as much as he's been able to, considering today's Congress.

What Mittens' problem is, is that Mittens has promised multiple deliveries on any given topic, from Severe Conservative to Moderate Mittens. It's all just a dartboard trying to figure out this guy.  Obama's a lefty, has delivered as a lefty, and can be reasonably believed that he will continue to be a lefty in a 2nd term.  Whether or not you're comfortable with that, hey, that's your political philosophy.  But at least you have a reliable barometer on where he is on the map.

Never thought I'd say it, but I'd actually prefer Dubya over this guy--I disagreed with a lot of his Administration's moves, but at least he laid out in front of you what he believed, what he was going to do, and then he went out and fucking did it.  For all his faults, at least he had his convictions and stuck with them, come hell or high water.
 
But this guy?  He's just bad news.

Hell no. Bush and his "convictions" were a disaster.

[OttoVonBismarck]

All he wants is the Presidency, because it's the Presidency.  He believes in nothing, except saying, doing and promising anything to anybody to get there. 

So he's Obama?

No, he's not.
You may not like what he delivered, whether it was healthcare reform or the way he recapitalized the banks or the mini-stim of 2010, but he's delivered on what he's said to deliver, as much as he's been able to, considering today's Congress.

What Mittens' problem is, is that Mittens has promised multiple deliveries on any given topic, from Severe Conservative to Moderate Mittens. It's all just a dartboard trying to figure out this guy.  Obama's a lefty, has delivered as a lefty, and can be reasonably believed that he will continue to be a lefty in a 2nd term.  Whether or not you're comfortable with that, hey, that's your political philosophy.  But at least you have a reliable barometer on where he is on the map.

Never thought I'd say it, but I'd actually prefer Dubya over this guy--I disagreed with a lot of his Administration's moves, but at least he laid out in front of you what he believed, what he was going to do, and then he went out and fucking did it.  For all his faults, at least he had his convictions and stuck with them, come hell or high water.
 
But this guy?  He's just bad news.

In what world is Obama a lefty? He's center of the spectrum by any unbiased measure. On some issues he's further right than GWB was.

[OttoVonBismarck]

That's mostly why I don't "fear" another Obama term. He proved with his first term he's not an ideological lefty. He always "spoke like one" on the campaign trail in 2008, but that was just in his rhetoric. If you look at his campaign positions they were mostly middle of the road Clinton-type moderate Democratic positions.

He came out for gay marriage when polling showed him it wouldn't hurt him in any States that mattered and might help him in States where it would. Romney is a cat of many colors but Obama has picked electability over all things in the entirety of his first term in office.

[derspiess]

You know why I'm voting Romney? I'm sick of Michelle Obama. Brak is ok, she is a bitch.

WATCH IT SUCKA

[Ed Anger]

You know why I'm voting Romney? I'm sick of Michelle Obama. Brak is ok, she is a bitch.

WATCH IT SUCKA

Brak could have done soooooo much better.

[Phillip V]

You know why I'm voting Romney? I'm sick of Michelle Obama. Brak is ok, she is a bitch.

WATCH IT SUCKA

Brak could have done soooooo much better.

He had several white girlfriends. Was Michelle is first and only black woman?

[derspiess]

I agree with what you said 100% Berkut, and it's why I voted Democrat for the first time this election.

The Republicans in congress simply cannot be rewarded for their atrocious behavior, made worse by the fact that Obama's mostly governed as what would have been considered a moderate Republican just 10 years ago.

  @Languish Obama supporters.  Consider yourselves tainted.

[CountDeMoney]

In what world is Obama a lefty? He's center of the spectrum by any unbiased measure. On some issues he's further right than GWB was.

You just said it: he's proved he's not an "ideological" lefty. 

Now, he's certainly not left enough for the Bill Mahers of the world or the MoveOn.orgs, but he's just enough left for me, with a splash of rightie in decent doses. 

Comfortable. Deliberate. Not Severely Liberal. "Clinton-type moderate Democratic positions", as you say.  Which is fine by me.

[Ed Anger]

I agree with what you said 100% Berkut, and it's why I voted Democrat for the first time this election.

The Republicans in congress simply cannot be rewarded for their atrocious behavior, made worse by the fact that Obama's mostly governed as what would have been considered a moderate Republican just 10 years ago.

  @Languish Obama supporters.  Consider yourselves tainted.

[derspiess]

He had several white girlfriends. Was Michelle is first and only black woman?

Some of the white gfs were made-up, or "composites" but yeah, AFAIK Michelle was his first. 

Hmm, maybe you really never do go back

[CountDeMoney]

Maybe you people need to fucking crop your posts.  It's a fucking Michelle Obama 10th grade film strip in here.