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A black 007?

Started by merithyn, October 26, 2012, 05:01:13 PM

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merithyn

Quote from: garbon on October 26, 2012, 06:06:56 PM
I don't know. I guess because we have people like Meri who would be put out because he isn't white.

Oh, for fuck's sake.  :rolleyes:

What I actually said was that I didn't know how I would feel about it. That it would take a leap, and that I would probably be fine with it. :contract:
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Razgovory

Quote from: garbon on October 26, 2012, 06:53:39 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 26, 2012, 06:44:56 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 26, 2012, 06:20:23 PM
Hey, garbo, as a black man on black issues, what are your opinions of race blind casting in general?  Basically what I'm asking for is that you fully validate my opinions. :)

Sorry but what you posted seems backwards to me.

Actually to expand on that - I think racial based casting only makes sense if you are either a) trying to highlight the effects of racism in the work (so it wouldn't make sense to have white women playing the black roles in The Help) or you're trying to get at a culture/sub-culture where it would be awkward if you didn't pick someone of that race (like Tyler Perry films).

So I guess that kind of goes with what you said though I'd say something like Nick Fury doesn't fit as his original backstory has no role in the film and as such his race doesn't really matter.

It is a little off putting in a historical film.  If FDR is played by a Pakistani actor, it's a bit strange.  I would make an exception with a Shakespearean play,  when you pick someone to play Henry V, you aren't actually playing the historical king, you are playing character a from the play who is essentially a distinct character.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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sbr

I'm not a huge Bond fan, but I always thought that James bond was kind of a code name and not the real character's name at all and that there were multiple different people who went by that name through the years.

Razgovory

It's not like was really serious literature.  I mean you aren't going to find women named "Pussy Galore", or "Holly Goodhead" outside of a  porn film.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Camerus

It would take about 5 minutes of getting used to, I think... provided he still had the British accent and performed superhuman feats of cool and daring-do.   :bowler:

Viking

I'm just worried that what happened to Mission Impossible happens to James Bond. MI was a genre and the Movie went out of it's way to demolish everything about it. It because a generic action thriller with a name which had caché. You can make an action thriller and call it bond, but if you don't follow the genre then it won't be bond, it will just be an action movie. The genre rules mean that the viewers do know what to expect and thus are willing to pay because they want more of it.
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Quote from: Viking on October 26, 2012, 08:03:03 PM
I'm just worried that what happened to Mission Impossible happens to James Bond. MI was a genre and the Movie went out of it's way to demolish everything about it. It because a generic action thriller with a name which had caché. You can make an action thriller and call it bond, but if you don't follow the genre then it won't be bond, it will just be an action movie. The genre rules mean that the viewers do know what to expect and thus are willing to pay because they want more of it.
Hasn't this already happened?
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DGuller

Meh, I don't care.  IMO, the franchise went dead around the time Pierce Brosnan started playing it.  It turned from an action movie that didn't take itself too seriously, to a mindless action thriller with way too many special effects.

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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 26, 2012, 06:19:19 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 26, 2012, 06:08:05 PM
I don't see the importance of that difference. Bond has been played by all different sorts of men, just like the role of President of the US.

No, he's been played by tall athletic white men with British-sounding accents. The audience accepts all of them as being the same guy. Nobody thinks of Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan as being the same guy. Or Dennis Haysbert and Morgan Freeman, for that matter.
An unaging, shape shifting man? Bond isn't Dr. Who.

007 is obviously a code name that multiple different agents have had over the last 50 years.
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Razgovory

Or it just has a floating timeline, and different actors.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Razgovory on October 26, 2012, 08:45:57 PM
Or it just has a floating timeline, and different actors.

:yes:

Only time I've seen any suggestion of multiple Bonds was in Casino Royale... the spoof version from the 60s.
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sbr

I must be thinking of this

QuoteDuring the planning Stages of 2002′s "Die Another Day" the producers actually wanted to include a cameo by the original Bond, Sean Connery, but in what context to include him? Briefly, screenwriter Stephen Wade thought of a strange idea: what if "James Bond" wasn't a name, but a code name assigned to certain agents? When the Connery cameo fell through the "codename" idea was scrapped, Director Lee Tamahori commented in an interview "that was good judgment prevailing." This hasn't stopped some of the fan-base from using the "codename theory" to explain why James Bond has been roughly the same age since 1962. Still, if this would have been introduced officially it would have made some fairly glaring continuity errors, such as the Moore-era Bond recognizing gadgets from the Connery era, or the Dalton era bond resigning from M16 and keeping the name in his time away from the agency.

http://listverse.com/2011/11/02/10-things-you-probably-dont-know-about-bond/

Habbaku

I didn't realize that Meri had joined the Tea Party.  :hmm:
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Quote from: Habbaku on October 26, 2012, 09:08:15 PM
I didn't realize that Meri had joined the Tea Party.  :hmm:

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Josquius

I don't see why not considering it alone, its not like Bond's appearance is consistant otherwise.
But making him black just for the sake of making him black and trying to be all modern and cool and that....nah
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