Probably the biggest turn we ever made was when the women got the right to vote.

[garbon]

After all, Viagra is covered without concern.

Because Viagra can serve procreative purposes? That doesn't seem particularly hypocritical for a catholic institution.  Closest comparison in function would be vasectomies and I think they do often have issues covering those.

[merithyn]

After all, Viagra is covered without concern.

Because Viagra can serve procreative purposes? That doesn't seem particularly hypocritical for a catholic institution.

It doesn't serve a major purpose beyond that. In other words, it's not a medically-necessary medication and it is covered. It's one of the biggest arguments against the requirement, that birth control isn't medically-necessary.

[garbon]

Seriously, though, if there was a pill for men, you could bet that it would be covered. 

By Catholics? Probably not.

[garbon]

After all, Viagra is covered without concern.

Because Viagra can serve procreative purposes? That doesn't seem particularly hypocritical for a catholic institution.

It doesn't serve a major purpose beyond that. In other words, it's not a medically-necessary medication and it is covered. It's one of the biggest arguments against the requirement, that birth control isn't medically-necessary.

Actually it can serve purposes like for PAH. 

Anyway, I think yes it is silly to ban birth control on the grounds that it doesn't have medically necessary reasons but can understand that organizations whose members hold life sacred would be miffed that they have to provide it.

[derspiess]

I have a problem with your line of thinking, which seems to be that all other women's big priorities in life *must* be the same as your own.   

I don't see how that is worse than being a man deciding what should be the priorities for women.

Who's doing that?

[garbon]

I have a problem with your line of thinking, which seems to be that all other women's big priorities in life *must* be the same as your own.   

I don't see how that is worse than being a man deciding what should be the priorities for women.

Who's doing that?

Many republicans.

[Eddie Teach]

It's pretty retarded that religious folks would want to deny access to birth control in a country where abortion is legal.

[garbon]

It's pretty retarded that religious folks would want to deny access to birth control in a country where abortion is legal.

Not really.  If you think that using birth control is contrary to the tenets of your faith, wouldn't you find it problematic to be forced to dispense it? And aren't these same people also against abortion? See: Mississippi

[merithyn]

Actually it can serve purposes like for PAH. 

Anyway, I think yes it is silly to ban birth control on the grounds that it doesn't have medically necessary reasons but can understand that organizations whose members hold life sacred would be miffed that they have to provide it.

I can understand it, too, but it's not fair to hold female employees hostage to the religious contraints of their employer. The system makes it impossible to find an alternative. Since the majority of insured individuals pretty much have to use employer insurance for coverage, allowing them to opt out just isn't fair to the women in their employ.

[garbon]

I can understand it, too, but it's not fair to hold female employees hostage to the religious contraints of their employer. The system makes it impossible to find an alternative. Since the majority of insured individuals pretty much have to use employer insurance for coverage, allowing them to opt out just isn't fair to the women in their employ.

I totally agree.

[Eddie Teach]

Not really.  If you think that using birth control is contrary to the tenets of your faith, wouldn't you find it problematic to be forced to dispense it? And aren't these same people also against abortion? See: Mississippi

Well, if you believe life begins at conception then one of those is murder and the other isn't.

[garbon]

Not really.  If you think that using birth control is contrary to the tenets of your faith, wouldn't you find it problematic to be forced to dispense it? And aren't these same people also against abortion? See: Mississippi

Well, if you believe life begins at conception then one of those is murder and the other isn't.

The other is still problematic. I'm not sure how because a state allows what one consider "murder" means that one should no longer care about birth control as well.

[merithyn]

Not really.  If you think that using birth control is contrary to the tenets of your faith, wouldn't you find it problematic to be forced to dispense it? And aren't these same people also against abortion? See: Mississippi

Well, if you believe life begins at conception then one of those is murder and the other isn't.

You're simplifying it too much. Catholics not only believe that life begins at conception. They also believe that any form of birth control goes against the biblical imperative to "Go forth and multiply."

[PDH]

"Go forth and multiply."

It's all in the math.

[Ed Anger]

"Go forth and multiply."

It's all in the math.

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