Probably the biggest turn we ever made was when the women got the right to vote.

[merithyn]

That's not really a party, dear.  It sounds like you're confused as to what the Tea Party movement even is.

Like most Languishites, it looked like you pretty much take whatever it is you hate the most about the GOP (whether real or imagined) and use it as the reason you hate the Tea Party.

Wait. So are you trying to claim that the more socially conservative bent that the Republicans are heading toward isn't due to the immense influence of the Tea Party movement?

And I'm not confused. The Republican party have made it very clear that they would repeal Obama's law forcing larger companies to include a major portion of medical care for women in their insurance packages for their employees. Or are you saying that isn't the case?

[Neil]

'Necessary medications'?  That there is some overblown rhetoric.

[garbon]

Sure but part of getting the same quality of healthcare is access to those top physicians.  My father has that Massachusetts healthcare and though it gets him covered to have a bunch of basic visits - it isn't really the same as the healthcare that I have access to through my insurance company...if only because I can generally get appointments sooner and my physicians don't treat me like a gov't assistance patient.

You and he both have an established baseline of a quality of care level, regardless of provider.  And that's the whole point: that there is a provider involved, where it's the state or your industry-insider provider, which is better than Mittens' new alternative of ambulances and emergency rooms.

And his baseline is much worse than mine. I'm going to ignore your last sentence as there isn't anything new there.

[derspiess]

Wait. So are you trying to claim that the more socially conservative bent that the Republicans are heading toward isn't due to the immense influence of the Tea Party movement?

I guess.  Sure, why not. 

What I'm saying is that the Tea Party movement is not based upon social issues.

And I'm not confused. The Republican party have made it very clear that they would repeal Obama's law forcing larger companies to include a major portion of medical care for women in their insurance packages for their employees. Or are you saying that isn't the case?

That they want to repeal Obamacare?  Yes.  That it's some ploy to steal health benefits away from women?  No.

[merithyn]

'Necessary medications'?  That there is some overblown rhetoric.

Oh?

Other reasons to take the pill

[merithyn]

That they want to repeal Obamacare?  Yes.  That it's some ploy to steal health benefits away from women?  No.

Not Obamacare. I'm talking about Obama requiring companies to follow IOM guidelines for women's health, including catholic-owned companies. That's a seperate thing entirely.

Beyond that, I believe strongly in universal healthcare in the US, so I'm probably not going to vote for a candidate that wants to withdraw the law.

[CountDeMoney]

And his baseline is much worse than mine. I'm going to ignore your last sentence as there isn't anything new there.

Of course you'll ignore it, as it's your candidate's preferred healthcare option at the moment.

[derspiess]

Not Obamacare. I'm talking about Obama requiring companies to follow IOM guidelines for women's health, including catholic-owned companies. That's a seperate thing entirely.

Ah, that.  I think a lot of sensible women realize they can afford the $10 a month for berf control pills (if they want to use them in the first place) and don't want to force others to pick up the tab. 

I have a problem with your line of thinking, which seems to be that all other women's big priorities in life *must* be the same as your own.   

[CountDeMoney]

I have a problem with your line of thinking, which seems to be that all other women's big priorities in life *must* be the same as your own.

That's our Derfetus: Derfender of Derwomen.

[derspiess]

I have a problem with your line of thinking, which seems to be that all other women's big priorities in life *must* be the same as your own.

That's our Derfetus: Derfender of Derwomen.

And you're the white savior of black folks, Count DeMarshallDavis

[merithyn]

Ah, that.  I think a lot of sensible women realize they can afford the $10 a month for berf control pills (if they want to use them in the first place) and don't want to force others to pick up the tab. 

I have a problem with your line of thinking, which seems to be that all other women's big priorities in life *must* be the same as your own.

It's $10/month with insurance. It's quite a bit more without (ranging from $50-175/month depending on the pill). And the insurance increase to include that in the package is less than $5/month per family. Given the alternative uses for birth control that affect a significant number of women and has nothing to do with preventing pregnancy, I think that's a fair cost. After all, Viagra is covered without concern.

I don't believe that all women must think as I do, nor that my priorities must be theirs. I recognize that the use of birthcontrol is not a serious concern for a lot of women, but yes, I do believe that the inequity of it should be a major concern. Any party that feels that half the population's health isn't as important as their religious codes should be seriously checked, and I don't get how that doesn't factor into a reasonable person's political psyche.

[MadImmortalMan]

I want free male birth control too.   

[garbon]

And his baseline is much worse than mine. I'm going to ignore your last sentence as there isn't anything new there.

Of course you'll ignore it, as it's your candidate's preferred healthcare option at the moment.

It is overblown rhetoric and what it is describing isn't new. Obamacare is still fairly new.

[garbon]

I have a problem with your line of thinking, which seems to be that all other women's big priorities in life *must* be the same as your own.   

I don't see how that is worse than being a man deciding what should be the priorities for women.

[merithyn]

I want free male birth control too.   

I mentioned the free condoms at the Public Health office, didn't I?

Seriously, though, if there was a pill for men, you could bet that it would be covered.