Renewable energy - Thoughts?

[CountDeMoney]

They kill bats.  Bats are good.

[merithyn]

Oh for fuck's sake. Read a bit of the recent stuff there, grandpas, before you go spouting off. Your facts are outdated.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/wind-turbine-kill-birds.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/27/wind-energy-myths-turbines-bats

Yeah, bats can still be a problem, which is why wind fields are not allowed to be placed near any bat habitats in the UK and the US.

[CountDeMoney]

The blades can kill people, too.

[HVC]

Do they still explode bird lungs though?

[Valmy]

The whole bird bullshit is why environmentalists suck ass as political allies.  There are the renewable energy guys trying to save the planet with their global warming curing stuff and they are being ignorantly picketed by their own crazy side.

[garbon]

I hate when people care about animals. Fetch me my mink and some foie gras.

[garbon]

Also kindle tried make that four bras. 

[merithyn]

The whole bird bullshit is why environmentalists suck ass as political allies.  There are the renewable energy guys trying to save the planet with their global warming curing stuff and they are being ignorantly picketed by their own crazy side.

Please don't lump all environmentalists into the same pot. We're not all like Seedy.

[Grey Fox]

My problem is with Urban Greens. Not everyone can stop using a car on a regular basis. Stop trying to make our governments design our roads as anti-cars.

[merithyn]

My problem is with Urban Greens. Not everyone can stop using a car on a regular basis. Stop trying to make our governments design our roads as anti-cars.

I wish that everyone COULD stop using a car on a regular basis, though. It would be nice to see public transportation be that effective. That, to me, is really where our time and money should be.

[viper37]

I wish that everyone COULD stop using a car on a regular basis, though. It would be nice to see public transportation be that effective. That, to me, is really where our time and money should be.

A bus will use roads too.  This is the problem with urban greens, they seem to think that somehow, just by making it harder to get in the city with a car, buses and trains will fly over everything.  Even better, they want to install a tramway in Quebec city now, when we know full well they stop all trains as soon as there is 4-6 inches of snow.

Roads should be designed to increase the fluidity of traffic, not make it worst like Montreal (Le Plateau  )

[Brazen]

Needs more fracking, because getting fire instead of water from your taps is cool!

[derspiess]

I wish that everyone COULD stop using a car on a regular basis, though. It would be nice to see public transportation be that effective. That, to me, is really where our time and money should be.

A bus will use roads too.  This is the problem with urban greens, they seem to think that somehow, just by making it harder to get in the city with a car, buses and trains will fly over everything.  Even better, they want to install a tramway in Quebec city now, when we know full well they stop all trains as soon as there is 4-6 inches of snow.

Roads should be designed to increase the fluidity of traffic, not make it worst like Montreal (Le Plateau  )

Cincinnati is getting streetcars.  Apparently that will trigger a surge in tourism

[Valmy]

Cincinnati is getting streetcars.  Apparently that will trigger a surge in tourism

Cities seem to have short memories.  Just a few decades ago everybody was removing their street cars.  They may want to try to remember why.

[derspiess]

Cincinnati is getting streetcars.  Apparently that will trigger a surge in tourism

Cities seem to have short memories.  Just a few decades ago everybody was removing their street cars.  They may want to try to remember why.

Cincy did away with them in 1951.  I think it would have been cool if they had kept them, but I don't see how it's worth the expense to bring them back now.  The mayor & other city leaders are trying to replicate the apparent success Portland had with them. 

It will be a nice little novelty and I'll probably ride them for the hell of it, but I just don't see it living up to the hype.  Funny sidenote is that the NAACP and a local right-leaning libertarian group joined together in opposition to the project.