The China Thread

[Neil]

Why are they talking about warship weaponry ranges by referencing the guns?  If guided missile cruisers and guided missile destroyers start fighting, I would rather imagine that they'll use guided missiles.

Still, hopefully the Chinese carrier sinks with massive loss of life.

[crazy canuck]

Turns out the carrier really does float.  Any news on whether planes can talk off and land from its deck?

[Admiral Yi]

Any threads on Paradox condemning the US for sailing into Chinese waters? 

[CountDeMoney]

Turns out the carrier really does float.  Any news on whether planes can talk off and land from its deck?

They've spent a shitload of time and money to get those shitty J-15s to get it off the deck.  Twice.  No landing attempts yet, I believe.

[derspiess]

They oughtta try some old Yak-38s.

[Barrister]

Honest question, because I don't know the answer:

What would the USN do if the roles were reversed?  That is a PLA ship is approaching a US carrier in international waters, not listening to requests to turn around?

[The Brain]

Honest question, because I don't know the answer:

What would the USN do if the roles were reversed?  That is a PLA ship is approaching a US carrier in international waters, not listening to requests to turn around?

Depends. Is the US open for business that day or not?

[CountDeMoney]

Honest question, because I don't know the answer:

What would the USN do if the roles were reversed?  That is a PLA ship is approaching a US carrier in international waters, not listening to requests to turn around?

This is the big problem with Chinese crisis management in the rush :  they have no real operational experience in the cat-and-mouse bullshit that goes on on the high seas.  The USN has decades of experience dancing with the Russians, and it's reflected in everything from JO training to operational guidelines.  They don't sweat this stuff.  Inexperienced Chinese officers under immense political pressure to "do the right thing", though?  That's when things go wrong.

[Admiral Yi]

Honest question, because I don't know the answer:

What would the USN do if the roles were reversed?  That is a PLA ship is approaching a US carrier in international waters, not listening to requests to turn around?

Soviets ships used to tail carrier groups all the time.

[crazy canuck]

Honest question, because I don't know the answer:

What would the USN do if the roles were reversed?  That is a PLA ship is approaching a US carrier in international waters, not listening to requests to turn around?

This is the big problem with Chinese crisis management in the rush :  they have no real operational experience in the cat-and-mouse bullshit that goes on on the high seas.  The USN has decades of experience dancing with the Russians, and it's reflected in everything from JO training to operational guidelines.  They don't sweat this stuff.  Inexperienced Chinese officers under immense political pressure to "do the right thing", though?  That's when things go wrong.

Good point.  Hadnt thought of it that way.

[CountDeMoney]

This is the big problem with Chinese crisis management in the rush :  they have no real operational experience in the cat-and-mouse bullshit that goes on on the high seas.  The USN has decades of experience dancing with the Russians, and it's reflected in everything from JO training to operational guidelines.  They don't sweat this stuff.  Inexperienced Chinese officers under immense political pressure to "do the right thing", though?  That's when things go wrong.

Good point.  Hadnt thought of it that way.

Neither did the J-8 pilot that got his ass splashed in 2001.

[derspiess]

Neither did the J-8 pilot that got his ass splashed in 2001.

Did we ever send his insurance company a bill for repairs?

[grumbler]

Honest question, because I don't know the answer:

What would the USN do if the roles were reversed?  That is a PLA ship is approaching a US carrier in international waters, not listening to requests to turn around?

As others have noted, this happened all the time.  The other ship has to heed the Law of the Sea when maneuvering around a task force (lest it run afoul of the Law of gross Tonnage), but the standard way of dealing with unwanted pickets was just to speed up.  Those AGIs couldn't maintain any kind of speed, nor can their US counterparts.

[Neil]

Hopefully this sort of thing will get Japan to arm with atomic weapons.

[Jacob]

If any of you care about Chinese rumours and the attempts to read the tea leaves, the Epoch Times has a pretty good summary of events thus far; albeit with the usual heavy focus on Falun Gong - http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/393118-reporting-zhou-yongkang-s-arrest-a-primer-on-the-power-struggle-in-beijing/