Reuters: US ambassador to Libya dead

[MadImmortalMan]

Darksider here. 

[garbon]

Darksider here. 

You're on the Dork Side.

[Martinus]

To suggest in any way that the act of speech should be curtailed in response to violence intended to suppress it is a terrible, terrible message to send to both those speaking and those who are deciding whether some more violence to curtail some more speech might be in order.

Speech which is ignorant should also be condemned as such whether or not people have also reactived violently too it.  Freedom of speech does not carry with it the freedom from criticism - quite the opposite.  If that criticism curtails the ignorant speech then that is an undeniable good.

The thing is that governments (quite rightly, by the way, if only because it would take too much time) do not, as a rule, issue official statements whenever their citizens say something ignorant. There is no reason why this is being done in this case, other than fear of violence. If I was an American, I would think it is shitty for my government to conduct its policy in response to threats of violence, but would prefer it to be built on more solid principles.

I don't know about you, but I think a policy of "we don't comment on things unless, for whatever reason, they become widely discussed around the world" is pretty defensible.

The "God hates fags" Phelps idiocy is widely discussed around the world. The Jack Chick tracts that call the Pope an Antichrist are widely discussed around the world. And so on and so forth. The only difference here is that noone was killed over this. I find it highly amusing/infuriating that you guys are unable to admit that the only difference here is not how offensive something is, or how widely reported it is, but that we are dealing with violent savages here.

I find it to be an extemely shitty policy to bow down to violence and threats of terror when it comes to freedom of speech.

[garbon]

The "God hates fags" Phelps idiocy is widely discussed around the world. The Jack Chick tracts that call the Pope an Antichrist are widely discussed around the world. And so on and so forth. The only difference here is that noone was killed over this. I find it highly amusing/infuriating that you guys are unable to admit that the only difference here is not how offensive something is, or how widely reported it is, but that we are dealing with violent savages here.

I find it to be an extemely shitty policy to bow down to violence and threats of terror when it comes to freedom of speech.

I don't understand why you think this is an incredibly shitty policy. I can understand why my POTUS gets involved and speaks when something dreadful is happening. I don't understand why he should have to speak out after every hateful thing that is said - that'd be a full time job.

[crazy canuck]

The "God hates fags" Phelps idiocy is widely discussed around the world. The Jack Chick tracts that call the Pope an Antichrist are widely discussed around the world. And so on and so forth. The only difference here is that noone was killed over this. I find it highly amusing/infuriating that you guys are unable to admit that the only difference here is not how offensive something is, or how widely reported it is, but that we are dealing with violent savages here.

The rest of us find it highly amusing (and we dont care enough to be frustrated) that you dont actually understand what the difference is between those things and this case.

But to help you here is a hint.  Nobody was blaming the US for those things.

[Viking]

Viking, you sure choose an odd battleground on which to wage your war against religion; Languish of all places, it ain't exactly god botherers central is it ?   


Maybe you should get out and take the fight to some flesh and blood muslims. 

I'm not on an atheist mission to languish. When the issue comes up I speak my mind. The vitriol comes from those who accuse me of hating religion. I just think the metaphysical claims of religion are untrue and think that those that demand that their religious view should be treated with a level of respect their political or ethical views don't get are wrong.

Telling a religious person that I think his religion is untrue and that he has been wasting his life is somehow more insulting than telling a socialist that his political views are untrue and he has been wasting his life.

[Viking]

Viking you sure choose an odd battleground to wage you war against religion, Languish of all places, it ain't exactly god botherers central is it.   

I am a God Warrior

I'm a non-God non-Warrior

[Viking]

The "God hates fags" Phelps idiocy is widely discussed around the world. The Jack Chick tracts that call the Pope an Antichrist are widely discussed around the world. And so on and so forth. The only difference here is that noone was killed over this. I find it highly amusing/infuriating that you guys are unable to admit that the only difference here is not how offensive something is, or how widely reported it is, but that we are dealing with violent savages here.

The rest of us find it highly amusing (and we dont care enough to be frustrated) that you dont actually understand what the difference is between those things and this case.

But to help you here is a hint.  Nobody was blaming the US for those things.

Muslims are crazy, film of embassy burning at 23.

[Martinus]

The "God hates fags" Phelps idiocy is widely discussed around the world. The Jack Chick tracts that call the Pope an Antichrist are widely discussed around the world. And so on and so forth. The only difference here is that noone was killed over this. I find it highly amusing/infuriating that you guys are unable to admit that the only difference here is not how offensive something is, or how widely reported it is, but that we are dealing with violent savages here.

The rest of us find it highly amusing (and we dont care enough to be frustrated) that you dont actually understand what the difference is between those things and this case.

But to help you here is a hint.  Nobody was blaming the US for those things.

Muslims are crazy, film of embassy burning at 23.

It's funny how their argument is essentially "The US have to apologise to the muslims because Muslims murdered the US ambassador. Other people US citizens offended did not murder the US ambassador so there is no need for an apology." It's mindboggling, really.

[Razgovory]

Viking, you sure choose an odd battleground on which to wage your war against religion; Languish of all places, it ain't exactly god botherers central is it ?   


Maybe you should get out and take the fight to some flesh and blood muslims. 

I'm not on an atheist mission to languish. When the issue comes up I speak my mind. The vitriol comes from those who accuse me of hating religion. I just think the metaphysical claims of religion are untrue and think that those that demand that their religious view should be treated with a level of respect their political or ethical views don't get are wrong.

Telling a religious person that I think his religion is untrue and that he has been wasting his life is somehow more insulting than telling a socialist that his political views are untrue and he has been wasting his life.

You've said yourself you hate religion.

Why do I hate religion? Well, duh....

http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,5358.msg273758.html#msg273758

If you forget Sarah Palin was blessed by a witch hunting african preacher and has associated with people like that. This is real and evil and yet another reason I hate religion.

http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,7141.msg387884.html#msg387884

[katmai]

If Marcin & Viking are on my side, I don't wanna be right.

[Martinus]

If Marcin & Viking are on my side, I don't wanna be right.

That's all you could come up with? Shameful.

[Razgovory]

It's more then enough.

[katmai]

I haven't been paying attention to particulars of this case. Was just general statement on threads on languish.

[derspiess]

Viking you sure choose an odd battleground to wage you war against religion, Languish of all places, it ain't exactly god botherers central is it.   

I am a God Warrior

I'm a non-God non-Warrior

aka Dork-Sided.  GET OUT OF MAH HOUSE NOW!