Iraq > Iran

[Berkut]

Crap like "Why didn't we get our oil!" and "We went to war because they tried to kill Dubya!" is just too infantile and tasty to let go.

Nah...sacrificing all that blood and treasure just to hand it over to the Iranian sphere of influence as it develops over the next several years is simple comfort enough.  No reasons or accountability necessary.

Arguing whether it was worthwhile or not is only made more difficult by your strawman regarding the motivation of those who pushed for war.

Holding anyone accountable is made more difficult by refusing to understand or even acknowledge the reasons for war.

[CountDeMoney]

Arguing whether it was worthwhile or not is only made more difficult by your strawman regarding the motivation of those who pushed for war.

OK, torch-bearer of Objective Truth(tm), what were the motivations?

Holding anyone accountable is made more difficult by refusing to understand or even acknowledge the reasons for war.

And they were?

And please, by all means, parrot the WMD angle.

[Berkut]

Arguing whether it was worthwhile or not is only made more difficult by your strawman regarding the motivation of those who pushed for war.

OK, torch-bearer of Objective Truth(tm),

You are going to lose me in any try at an actual discussion if you decide you want to try to confuse me by imitating Raz.

[Phillip V]

We should keep working on a new Status of Force agreement and bring back US troops to Iraq with permanent bases.

[CountDeMoney]

You are going to lose me in any try at an actual discussion if you decide you want to try to confuse me by imitating Raz.

No, I really want to know your explanation how the reasons for going to war in Iraq were exactly as advertised.

[Berkut]

You are going to lose me in any try at an actual discussion if you decide you want to try to confuse me by imitating Raz.

No, I really want to know your explanation how the reasons for going to war in Iraq were exactly as advertised.

Why in the world would I put forth such an explanation?

There are options besides exactly as advertised, oil, and "omg they tried to kill daddy!"

[dps]

The fact that nobody can agree on what the war was even about almost a decade later tells us why the public has so turned against it.

Heck, people still argue over what the ACW was about after 150 years.

Yes, there is a clear right and wrong answer on that one.

Well, that's half true.

The south clearly attempted to secede in order to preserve the institution of slavery, despite denials from certain quarters and the attempts of some people since then to obscure the issue.  But not everyone who fought for the south did so because they wanted to uphold slavery, and the north for the most part didn't fight to end slavery.

[Josquius]

Yeah. I mean, what the fuck did we fight for?
We ain't got not oil, price at the gas pump still sky high.
I thought we were fighting for oil. I guess I was wrong.

price at the pump sky high? thought you  lived in the us. petrol is practically free there.

[Tamas]

Good thing this thread went into the direction of Democrats and Republicans debating the Iraq war. We haven't had enough of that in the last 9 years.

[Razgovory]

Arguing whether it was worthwhile or not is only made more difficult by your strawman regarding the motivation of those who pushed for war.

OK, torch-bearer of Objective Truth(tm),

You are going to lose me in any try at an actual discussion if you decide you want to try to confuse me by imitating Raz.

Don't read my posts.

[CountDeMoney]

Why in the world would I put forth such an explanation?

Then don't give be shit about mine.

There are options besides exactly as advertised, oil, and "omg they tried to kill daddy!"

Sure there are.

[Berkut]

Why in the world would I put forth such an explanation?

Then don't give be shit about mine.

I cannot believe you are getting your panties twisted up over the idea that someone might find your "They tried to kill daddy!" mtivation for why the US went to war with Iraq less than compelling.

There are options besides exactly as advertised, oil, and "omg they tried to kill daddy!"

Sure there are.

Glad you could figure this out. It only took 12 years!

[Ed Anger]

price at the pump sky high? thought you  lived in the us. petrol is practically free there.

That has got to one of the stupidest things I've read in quite a while.

[Tamas]

you have it cheaper than I do, so STFU.

[HVC]

they (we) also have to drive more. So overall americans probably pay more for gas.