Europa Universalis IV announced

[Viking]

Have the initial balancing issues been adequately addressed yet?

I, as prussia with 65 force limits allied to novgorod 20, just fought a coalition of Muscovy 120, Lithuania 70 and Denmark 30 with a similar manpower balance to a standstill. And was stab hitting them... when France, Netherlands, Castille and Britain attacked me.

So, no, not balanced.

[Anatron]

Have the initial balancing issues been adequately addressed yet?

I, as prussia with 65 force limits allied to novgorod 20, just fought a coalition of Muscovy 120, Lithuania 70 and Denmark 30 with a similar manpower balance to a standstill. And was stab hitting them... when France, Netherlands, Castille and Britain attacked me.

So, no, not balanced.

I asked Dorukhan and Signon to use mods from now on to improve the balance in the game.But they are not interested.

[Habbaku]

Have the initial balancing issues been adequately addressed yet?

I, as prussia with 65 force limits allied to novgorod 20, just fought a coalition of Muscovy 120, Lithuania 70 and Denmark 30 with a similar manpower balance to a standstill. And was stab hitting them... when France, Netherlands, Castille and Britain attacked me.

  Sounds like standard Viking diplomacy at work to me.

[Zanza]

Playing the Ottomans is fun. You can just expand in all directions at the same time for the first several decades of the game. I have a -400 relation modifier from aggressive expansion with the Mamluks by now.   Yet no one wants to join the fuckers in a coalition.

[Viking]

Have the initial balancing issues been adequately addressed yet?

I, as prussia with 65 force limits allied to novgorod 20, just fought a coalition of Muscovy 120, Lithuania 70 and Denmark 30 with a similar manpower balance to a standstill. And was stab hitting them... when France, Netherlands, Castille and Britain attacked me.

  Sounds like standard Viking diplomacy at work to me.

hey, I learned my lesson from last time, this time it was meta-revenge from slargos

[Anatron]

Playing the Ottomans is fun. You can just expand in all directions at the same time for the first several decades of the game. I have a -400 relation modifier from aggressive expansion with the Mamluks by now.   Yet no one wants to join the fuckers in a coalition.

Ottos are OP.I hope they will get a massive nerf in the next patch.

[DGuller]

Have the initial balancing issues been adequately addressed yet?

I, as prussia with 65 force limits allied to novgorod 20, just fought a coalition of Muscovy 120, Lithuania 70 and Denmark 30 with a similar manpower balance to a standstill. And was stab hitting them... when France, Netherlands, Castille and Britain attacked me.

  Sounds like standard Viking diplomacy at work to me.

[Valmy]

Ottos are OP.I hope they will get a massive nerf in the next patch.

I believe that is an exact quote from John VIII at the Council of Florence.

[jimmy olsen]

Have the initial balancing issues been adequately addressed yet?

I, as prussia with 65 force limits allied to novgorod 20, just fought a coalition of Muscovy 120, Lithuania 70 and Denmark 30 with a similar manpower balance to a standstill. And was stab hitting them... when France, Netherlands, Castille and Britain attacked me.

So, no, not balanced.

So, 85 to 210...

Depending on techlevels I can see that working. You just have to be able to successfully overrun Jutland at the beginning. You have the advantage of interior lines and having all your provinces and men close together on the map, instead of spread out like Muscovy.

[Viking]

Have the initial balancing issues been adequately addressed yet?

I, as prussia with 65 force limits allied to novgorod 20, just fought a coalition of Muscovy 120, Lithuania 70 and Denmark 30 with a similar manpower balance to a standstill. And was stab hitting them... when France, Netherlands, Castille and Britain attacked me.

So, no, not balanced.

So, 85 to 210...

Depending on techlevels I can see that working. You just have to be able to successfully overrun Jutland at the beginning. You have the advantage of interior lines and having all your provinces and men close together on the map, instead of spread out like Muscovy.

Didn't overrun anything, I was on the defensive the whole time. It was the prussian ideas that made the difference. At start I had 12, Muscovy had 13 and at the end I had 16, Muscovy had 15. The prussian army was in autokill mode until france and castille and holland threw another 240 regiments at me from the west and I called in allies.

[Zanza]

Ottos are OP.I hope they will get a massive nerf in the next patch.

I believe that is an exact quote from John VIII at the Council of Florence.

They conquered like 100 EU4 provinces in less than 120 years in reality, so for historicity sake, they must be OP. However that obviously makes for poor multiplayer which is what Anatron is interested in. But that has never been the main focus of Paradox' games.

[Syt]

They conquered like 100 EU4 provinces in less than 120 years in reality, so for historicity sake, they must be OP. However that obviously makes for poor multiplayer which is what Anatron is interested in. But that has never been the main focus of Paradox' games.

Incorrect. With the long life of the EU2 MP community, EU3 was at release geared towards a balanced MP experience. Which is why the original release was so bland and all nations played more or less the same.

Fortunately this was corrected, when Johan & Co. realized that while the MP is vocal, the SP community is in the majority.

[DGuller]

Ottos are OP.I hope they will get a massive nerf in the next patch.

I believe that is an exact quote from John VIII at the Council of Florence.

They conquered like 100 EU4 provinces in less than 120 years in reality, so for historicity sake, they must be OP. However that obviously makes for poor multiplayer which is what Anatron is interested in. But that has never been the main focus of Paradox' games.

How much was it a result of subsequent luck rather than a starting position and setup?  In real life, Ottomans had a really good streak going with excellent rulers that gave them shitloads of monarch points and awesome generals.

[DGuller]

Same could apply to Prussia as well.  Was Brandeburg destined to be the state that united Germany, or was it just a lucky blobber?

[Queequeg]

Same could apply to Prussia as well.  Was Brandeburg destined to be the state that united Germany, or was it just a lucky blobber?

I think they had a string of some truly exceptional rulers and this could appropriately be handled by giving them "luck", considering that you can't hardcode union with the Duchy of Prussia or the Calvinist immigrants that were the foundation of the economy.