Europa Universalis IV announced

[Queequeg]

Yes.  Totally boned.

[DGuller]

What do you guys do about upgrading ships?  I tend to just let Darwin take care of it, to avoid the PITA.  I figure if the old ships don't get sunk in combat, they aren't obsolete.

[Viking]

What do you guys do about upgrading ships?  I tend to just let Darwin take care of it, to avoid the PITA.  I figure if the old ships don't get sunk in combat, they aren't obsolete.

The with this is that obsolete ships don't go down one or two at a time, (well light ships on escort duty do.. but..) fleets get obliterated... and they tend to get obliterated when and where you can least afford to lose or replace them. I tend to try to keep only the two most modern generations of ships in my main fleet.

That said, replacement only happen if the funds to do so are about.

[Queequeg]

Jesus Christ the Dutch are fucking hard.

[Viking]

Jesus Christ the Dutch are fucking hard.

Because of the revolt events? 'cause they are fuckin' annoyin'.

[jimmy olsen]

I definitely want to get this eventually, but I'm still getting a lot of mileage out of CK2.

Is this game ready for prime time, or should I want for a few more patches/DLC and an expansion?

[DGuller]

You know who's hard?  Venice on Ironman.  You'd think that its proximity to Austria would be the challenge, but actually that's easy, actually.  Lucky Ottomans, on the other hand, just cannot be beaten back during the first century of the game.

[jimmy olsen]

You know who's hard?  Venice on Ironman.  You'd think that its proximity to Austria would be the challenge, but actually that's easy, actually.  Lucky Ottomans, on the other hand, just cannot be beaten back during the first century of the game.

Isn't the fact that they're doomed to lose market share to Portugal and Spain also a big problem?

[Queequeg]

Spain just fucks you in the ass. You just can't hope to have something comparable to the Spanish and Portugeues navies. I got close to France but they ended up getting fucking bukkaked after an attempted bobbing and now I'm getting fucked too. Shit, fuck this I'm playing Ming Dynasty.

[Anatron]

Spain just fucks you in the ass. You just can't hope to have something comparable to the Spanish and Portugeues navies. I got close to France but they ended up getting fucking bukkaked after an attempted bobbing and now I'm getting fucked too. Shit, fuck this I'm playing Ming Dynasty.

Try England or Genoa.They can beat the Spanish Armada.

[Viking]

You know who's hard?  Venice on Ironman.  You'd think that its proximity to Austria would be the challenge, but actually that's easy, actually.  Lucky Ottomans, on the other hand, just cannot be beaten back during the first century of the game.

Isn't the fact that they're doomed to lose market share to Portugal and Spain also a big problem?

I've yet to see a game were the Aden Node is affected by a European trader before the 18th century. Venice has few friends and fewer non-enemies. You need to suck trade out of alexandria and ragusa all while having a fleet capable of defending the lagoon.

[Berkut]

I tried Japan.

Didn't get that far. Doesn't really seem like there is anything to do but sit there and wait to annex your vassals.

[Anatron]

I tried Japan.

Didn't get that far. Doesn't really seem like there is anything to do but sit there and wait to annex your vassals.

I tried the Iroquoieses.It was fun playing with the westenized indian troops and stop the invaders taking my lands.:-)

[crazy canuck]

Tried England Ironman.  I immediately ceded all French cores and ended the 100 year war.  That gave me a stab bonus for giving up the cores and avoided all that terrible w/e.  Caught a lucky break in that an heir appeared before the king died - Queen Mary and there was no civil war.  Took the option to vassalize Scotland which was easily accomplished in a short war.  Then teched up.  Took the economy idea thingie first to boost revenue generation then exploration and now I am sitting with my first colony in Newfoundland around 1490.  I will core that and then take over North America.  I have avoided any alliances as I do not want to be dragged into any petty Euro wars.

[garbon]

Yeah as Portugal only Europe wars I had were ones started by Spain and I never contributed.