Europa Universalis IV announced

[Razgovory]

I thought playing colonial powers was plenty of fun...

I thought it was too, especially the exploration and colony aspects. 

Pretty funny from a game company that wasn't allowed to use the swastika in HoI, but let you harvest slaves in EU2.  GET ON THE DAMN BOAT BOY

Or the deliberate genocide of natives.

[CountDeMoney]

Or the deliberate genocide of natives.

Now now, some of them had it coming.

[Razgovory]

Or the deliberate genocide of natives.

Now now, some of them had it coming.

Yes, but you can't clear the province of natives when you take Stockholm.

[Syt]

Pretty funny from a game company that wasn't allowed to use the swastika in HoI, but let you harvest slaves in EU2.  GET ON THE DAMN BOAT BOY

Well, if we continental Europeans see a swastika we're genetically coded to fall into goosestep, kill minorities and attack neighboring countries.

Whereas we don't have a habit of holding black folks to do our gardening.

[Razgovory]

Pretty funny from a game company that wasn't allowed to use the swastika in HoI, but let you harvest slaves in EU2.  GET ON THE DAMN BOAT BOY

Well, if we continental Europeans see a swastika we're genetically coded to fall into goosestep, kill minorities and attack neighboring countries.

Whereas we don't have a habit of holding black folks to do our gardening.

I saw a lot of Senegalese in Italy doing menial work.

[Josephus]

I thought playing colonial powers was plenty of fun...

I thought it was too, especially the exploration and colony aspects. 

Pretty funny from a game company that wasn't allowed to use the swastika in HoI, but let you harvest slaves in EU2.  GET ON THE DAMN BOAT BOY

Or the deliberate genocide of natives.

Only the nasty rebellious ones. The nice ones who were willing to conform to proper European values got nicely assimilated.

[Viking]

Paradox has always had a lot of trouble getting the naval element of their games right.

And that's a surprise because . . . ?

Bogh had so much fun with the Waasa simulator at the Waasa museum.

[crazy canuck]

Map doesn't suck :

That is actually very nice.

Are we sure this is a paradox game? 

[Neil]

Paradox has always had a lot of trouble getting the naval element of their games right.

And that's a surprise because . . . ?

OH SNAP

[Neil]

Bogh had so much fun with the Waasa simulator at the Waasa museum.

I was there.

[Ed Anger]

Waasa simulator

A giant red button marked "sink"?

[Josquius]

hope they sort colonisation out...I can't think of a good mechanic even theoretically for it though.

And they really should reduce the traditional more land=automatically more power thing. Would be nice for playing a city state to be viable and for some land to be more of a burden than a gain

[Razgovory]

I'd like to see different types of governments raise armies different ways.  For instance, nomads and feudal societies just sorta call up levies like in Crusader Kings.  As states become more complex they raise more modern regiments.  A feudal levies in the early game mean not having to maintain standing armies (something that is difficult in the early game), but they are less disciplined and quickly become out paced by units in the pike and shot world.  There could be several different methods for raising troops depending on government and technology.

[Viking]

Bogh had so much fun with the Waasa simulator at the Waasa museum.

I was there.

Please tell me you didn't save grumbler from drowning 

[The Minsky Moment]

hope they sort colonisation out...I can't think of a good mechanic even theoretically for it though.

The player invests in individual colonial ventures =- like sponsoring an explorer or chartering a company.
The opportunities that come available and the chance of success depend on slider settings with some (modifiable) boost for historical performance.

If your ventures succeed to some degree, a sustainable colony is set up.  Then there can be a separate screen for managing colonial affairs through colonial polices.  I.e. taxation, natural resource policy, trade with metropole and foreign powers, extent of encouragement of immigration, etc.   Policies may differ by colonial region (or not). The colonial power can also continue to delegate authority to the venturing company, which may have advantages (expense) and disadvantages (extent of control).  Each distinct colonial region has a trade and supply route back to the home country - the owning power can assign ships to police the trade route; hostile powers can send raiders/privateers.