Europa Universalis IV announced

[Viking]

What's the opportunity cost of getting all that colony income, though?  I still haven't figured out for myself whether it's worth it.  In any case, I don't colonize because it's too damn boring.

1 Picking an idea group (exploration)
2 Spending 3-10 ducats per month colonizing
3 Setting aside resources to conduct anti-pirate patrols, escort trade to europe and small armies to deal with revolts
4 The CB your colonial neighbors get on you (and you on them).

It's a balance thing, but, moneywise it is definitively worth it.

[crazy canuck]

What's the opportunity cost of getting all that colony income, though? 

I think the better question is what better options do you have. 

[DGuller]

What's the opportunity cost of getting all that colony income, though? 

I think the better question is what better options do you have.

Maxing out the buildings at home much sooner, making a play for Italy, trying to eat away at the south of France to connect to Italy, expanding to North Africa.

[crazy canuck]

What's the opportunity cost of getting all that colony income, though? 

I think the better question is what better options do you have.

Maxing out the buildings at home much sooner, making a play for Italy, trying to eat away at the south of France to connect to Italy, expanding to North Africa.

The extra income you recieve from colonization helps you build at home sooner, helps fund your army (and add more manpower) for ventures into Italy and southern France.  Not sure what point there is to expanding into North Africa other than painting the map your colour. 

[DGuller]

The extra income you recieve from colonization helps you build at home sooner, helps fund your army (and add more manpower) for ventures into Italy and southern France.  Not sure what point there is to expanding into North Africa other than painting the map your colour.

North Africa is just an extra land you can get where you can build buildings, and it's not distant overseas.  The difference in tax income between base tax 1 and base tax 17 province with stock exchanges is only a factor of 2.

[crazy canuck]

The extra income you recieve from colonization helps you build at home sooner, helps fund your army (and add more manpower) for ventures into Italy and southern France.  Not sure what point there is to expanding into North Africa other than painting the map your colour.

North Africa is just an extra land you can get where you can build buildings, and it's not distant overseas.  The difference in tax income between base tax 1 and base tax 17 province with stock exchanges is only a factor of 2.

It has the signficant disadvantage of having the berber penalty for coring.  You are really talking about opportunity costs if you go that direction because of the large amounts of Admin monarch points you are going to spend.  The only way talking over North Africa makes much sense is if you are using the adm cheat on the console 

[DGuller]

It has the signficant disadvantage of having the berber penalty for coring.  You are really talking about opportunity costs if you go that direction because of the large amounts of Admin monarch points you are going to spend.  The only way talking over North Africa makes much sense is if you are using the adm cheat on the console 

Not true, you can feed your vassals, and let them worry about the admin monarch points.

[crazy canuck]

Not true, you can feed your vassals, and let them worry about the admin monarch points.

That would be a bit of a round about way of doing it - hoping Aragon successfully lays seige to a province.  And then waiting to integrate Aragon.  You could and should colonize while waiting for all that to happen. 

[Anatron]

It has the signficant disadvantage of having the berber penalty for coring.  You are really talking about opportunity costs if you go that direction because of the large amounts of Admin monarch points you are going to spend.  The only way talking over North Africa makes much sense is if you are using the adm cheat on the console 

Not true, you can feed your vassals, and let them worry about the admin monarch points.

Yes,in eu4 everybody doing this.Conqer land->release vassal->give lands to it->then integrate. = no admin point cost for provinces.

[DGuller]

Not true, you can feed your vassals, and let them worry about the admin monarch points.

That would be a bit of a round about way of doing it - hoping Aragon successfully lays seige to a province.  And then waiting to integrate Aragon.  You could and should colonize while waiting for all that to happen. 

I don't think you understand the strategy of vassal feeding.

[crazy canuck]

I understand it, I just dont like that mechanic at it is too gamey.  I failed to appreciate that is what you meant as I dont do it myself.

[Anatron]

I understand it, I just dont like that mechanic at it is too gamey.  I failed to appreciate that is what you meant as I dont do it myself.

Agree,I dont like this vassal feeding either.

[DGuller]

I don't like it either, but the game just seems too balanced around that concept.

[crazy canuck]

I don't like it either, but the game just seems too balanced around that concept.

I think the recent patches have made coring much more balanced.  Coring colonies and overseas nations like the Aztecs dont count against the coring penalty anymore.   That is one of the reasons colonization makes a lot of sense.

[Anatron]

I think the main rootcause of the vassal feeding is the integration time.It just too fast.You can annex a vassal within like 15~20 years?
Thats a joke.An integration of a nation should take mutch more time, like 50~100 years.