OK, I gave you tards enough time to ignore the Sikh massacre

[CountDeMoney]

More on the shooter.  Dumbass probably thought he was shooting evildoer Mooselimbs.

Wade Michael Page: Excessive drinking cost Sikh temple shooter his military career, civilian job

OAK CREEK, Wis. —Wade Michael Page, the gunman in Sunday's Sikh temple shooting, had a history of problems with alcohol, which led to him losing his military career and, more recently, a job as a trucker.

Page, 40, was shot to death by a Wisconsin police officer after he killed six Sikh worshipers at a temple here and shot another officer. He was discharged from the Army in 1998 because he had been found drunk during military exercises, according to law enforcement authorities. He was convicted of driving under the influence a year later in Colorado. And a trucking company confirmed Tuesday morning that it fired Page two years ago after he was pulled over in North Carolina for driving while impaired.

Christopher Robillard, of Oregon, who described Page as "my closest friend" in the service more than a decade ago, said Page was pushed out of the military for showing up to formation drunk.

In an interview with CNN, he described Page as "a very kind, very smart individual — loved his friends. One of those guys with a soft spot." But even then, Robillard said, Page "was involved with white supremacy."

"He would talk about the racial holy war, like he wanted it to come," Robillard said. "But to me, he didn't seem like the type of person to go out and hurt people."

Later Monday, Robillard told CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight" that Page likely sought attention to his beliefs "because he was always the loner type of person. Even in a group of people, he would be off alone."

In 2000, Page sold everything he owned aside from his motorcycle and journeyed from his native Colorado, eventually settling in rural North Carolina. He joined prominent "white power" rock bands.

Page worked as a driver from 2006 to 2010 for Barr-Nunn Transportation, a trucking company based in Iowa. He was fired in August 2010 after being cited in North Carolina for driving while impaired by alcohol or some other chemical substance.

The company said in a statement that Page was driving his personal vehicle in North Carolina at the time of the citation, and he refused to submit to a blood-alcohol test when pulled over.

After losing his job, Page apparently ran into financial trouble. Public records show that his home, in a rural part of Fayetteville, N.C., was foreclosed on in January. Page had bought the house for $165,000 in 2007, refinanced his mortgage two years later and had fallen far behind in payments.

Investigators are working to determine Page's motive for the shooting, which in addition to the six dead, left a police officer and two others wounded. Apart from his apparent struggles with alcohol and his personal finances, Page was a musician, who had become deeply embedded in the white-supremacist music scene and was well known to anti-hate watchdog groups. One such group, Southern Poverty Law Center, said it had been tracking him for more than a decade.

A compilation of Page's online postings by the SITE monitoring service shows many efforts to promote his bands, which had titles like "Definite Hate" and "End Apathy." But there were also frequent references to the number 88, which is code for "Heil Hitler," derived from the position of the letter "H" as the eighth letter of the alphabet, and to "the 14 words" — two 14-word-long supremacist mantras. The first mantra is, "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children." The second is, "Because the beauty of the White Aryan women must not perish from the earth."

Late in 2011, when one member of the online community vowed to flee the country if African American businessman Herman Cain was successful in his campaign for the presidency, Page exhorted, "Stand and fight, don't run," SITE reported.

And last April, after a poster asked forum members what they had done to "spread the truth" about white supremacism to their loved ones and acquaintances, Page replied: "Passive submission is indirect support to the oppressors. Stand up for yourself and live the 14 words."

A participant on one of the forums Page frequented, Crew38.com, posted a rant on the same day as the shooting that directed others to "start beating scum in your neighborhood," SITE reported. The next day, a discussion thread on the site lamented what it described as a low level of commitment from "self-proclaimed aryan warriors and soldiers."

Officials said Monday that they think Page acted alone when he opened fire at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in this Milwaukee suburb. The rampage, coming just two weeks after a mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., forced the nation to grapple with yet another incident of horrific violence, this one aimed at a religious group whose low-key profile in this country added to the mystery of the attack.

The assault Sunday put a spotlight on a little-known but vibrant — and sometimes violent — music subculture, according to watchdog groups. "There is a whole underworld out there of white supremacist music of which the public is almost entirely unaware," said Mark Potok, senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which first flagged Page's connection to hate groups in a blog post Monday. The group has been monitoring Page since 2000, when he began playing for bands with names such as Max Resist, Blue Eyed Devil and Intimidation One.

"This guy was in the thick of the white-supremacist music scene," Potok said. "He was not a fringe player. He was well known in the scene and played in some of the best-known bands."

There is no evidence that Page harbored specific resentment toward Sikhs. Watchdog groups and Sikhs say it is likely that Page confused the religion with Islam, because Sikh men wear beards and turbans.

Sikhism, a monotheistic religion founded more than 500 years ago in northern India, is the fifth-largest organized religion in the world. Followers, who revere a lineage of 10 gurus, have led a relatively peaceful existence in this country, although they have occasionally been the targets of violence since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Officials said Page served in the Army from 1992 to 1998, and he was stationed at Fort Bliss in Texas and Fort Bragg in North Carolina. He worked as a missile-system repairman and then as a psychological operations specialist before being discharged because of a "pattern of misconduct" that was linked to his being intoxicated while on duty.

In 2000, Page hit the road with his backpack and motorcycle, he said in a 2010 interview with Maryland-based Label 56. His wanderings at one point led him to Georgia to attend "Hammerfest," an annual white-power music festival that the Anti-Defamation League calls "a virtual Woodstock of hate rock."

In North Carolina, he remained active in the white-power music community, as a guitarist and vocalist. He roomed and played music with Brent Rackley, a member of the Confederate Hammerskins, part of a larger organization that was once "the top dog in the skinhead world" and probably numbers in the hundreds, Potok said.

Reached by phone in North Carolina, Rackley's father, Joseph Rackley, declined to discuss his son but said he was stunned by the shootings.

"I'm freaked out about the incident itself," Joseph Rackley said. "It is just senseless and any other word you'd like to use to describe it. I hate it for the survivors of those who lost someone. I have nothing but sympathy for them."

Debbie Tanna, spokeswoman for the Cumberland County Sheriff's Department in Fayetteville, confirmed that the department had a few interactions with Page while he lived there. He was issued five gun permits on May 5, 2008, although it is not known whether he bought weapons.

Authorities issued a warrant for his arrest in October 1997 after he wrote a bad check.

It's unclear why Page moved to Wisconsin. For about the first half of this year, he lived in a two-story apartment in South Milwaukee with his girlfriend and her son, said David Brown, who lived a floor below them. Page was not a warm neighbor, he said.

"He wasn't friendly. He wasn't outgoing at all," Brown said, adding that when he would greet Page, "he'd just shrug and walk off." Sometimes Brown would see him in the basement lifting weights. "Just him and weights and a lot of moaning."

Sometimes Brown would see Page carrying an instrument, perhaps a guitar or a keyboard.

"The only time he had a little bounce in his step was when he had a music thing and was heading out. I understand that. Shooting people, I don't understand," Brown said.

A woman who answered the phone at a number listed to Page's grandparents in Littleton, Colo., identified herself as Page's grandmother. At times breaking into tears, she described how impossible the shootings were to believe.

"He was just a nice person," she said, then gasped, adding: "I can't understand him taking six other people's lives."

Two weeks ago, she said, her grandson inexplicably sent a bouquet of red roses to her home.

Police on Monday identified Paramjit Kaur, a 41-year-old woman, as one of those killed. The other victims, all men, were identified as Sita Singh, 41; Ranjit Singh, 49; Satwant Singh Kaleka, 62; Prakash Singh, 39; and Suveg Singh Khattra, 84. Singh is a common surname for men in the Sikh religion. The wounded officer was identified as Lt. Brian Murphy, 51, a 21-year veteran of the department. He is in critical condition, Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said.

On Monday, members of the Sikh community here in Oak Creek wept after the victims' names were read during a news conference. One man wiped the tears from the face of another who had sunk to the floor during the event at the police station.

Another asked FBI Special Agent Teresa Carlson how many people like Page are scattered across the country. "That is the problem," she replied. "Nobody knows."

The attack jolted Internet message boards trafficked by white supremacists, some of whom urged more, similar actions. SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors radical groups on the Web, reported Monday a flurry of activity on racist message boards, including one thread exhorting the community to "stop talking and start doing."

The record label that released Page's music and published the interview called the attack a "tragedy," saying in a statement that it had worked hard to be "positive."

"Label 56 is very sorry to hear about the tragedy in Wisconsin and our thoughts are with the families and friends of those who are affected," it said. "Please do not take what Wade did as honorable or respectable and please do not think we are all like that."

[Siege]

They weren't real americans.
That's why people don't care.

[HVC]

They weren't real americans.
That's why people don't care.

says the arab mercenary

[CountDeMoney]

They weren't real americans.
That's why people don't care.

Well, neither are you.  Enjoy your next IED.

[Viking]

I note that the only in america do religious minorities call for police surveillance.

I've stopped commenting on american spree shootings. I didn't on the aurora shooting either, apart from observing that theaters need new thinking in designing escape routs and new thinking about security.

[Phillip V]

Kids need to be indoctrinated in school to not go on killing sprees.

[Viking]

Kids need to be indoctrinated in school to not go on killing sprees.

How about not letting them have automatic weapons?

[HVC]

Kids need to be indoctrinated in school to not go on killing sprees.

How about not letting them have automatic weapons?

but what if the english attack?

[Eddie Teach]

They weren't real americans.
That's why people don't care.

1 Not very long after the Batman massacre
2 During Olympics

[Phillip V]

Kids need to be indoctrinated in school to not go on killing sprees.

How about not letting them have automatic weapons?

Access to weapons should be granted based on similar process/restrictions on getting a federal security clearance. If you have bad credit history, relationship troubles, ties to hate organizations, drug/alcohol problems, etc. you will not be allowed to purchase or own a firearm.

[Valmy]

Kids need to be indoctrinated in school to not go on killing sprees.

How about not letting them have automatic weapons?

What does that have to do with it?  Most shootings involve handguns not automatic weapons.  This one for example.

And I did comment on it Seedy I talked about it in the Off-Topic thread.

[Viking]

Kids need to be indoctrinated in school to not go on killing sprees.

How about not letting them have automatic weapons?

but what if the english attack?

Nukes and Aircraft Carriers?

plus all round english moroseness and pessimism will never let that venture get underway.

[Valmy]

They weren't real americans.
That's why people don't care.

I cared

[Valmy]

Kids need to be indoctrinated in school to not go on killing sprees.

How about not letting them have automatic weapons?

Access to weapons should be granted based on similar process/restrictions on getting a federal security clearance. If you have bad credit history, relationship troubles, ties to hate organizations, drug/alcohol problems, etc. you will not be allowed to purchase or own a firearm.

Yeah good luck with that.

[Viking]

They weren't real americans.
That's why people don't care.

I cared

your not a real american you'r like a wannabe "freedom" american.