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Started by Syt, August 01, 2012, 12:01:36 AM

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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Tonitrus on February 24, 2015, 03:19:56 PM
And no birds will survive to fly over Texas.  :(

Good news for the rodent and reptile populations.  :)
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Valmy

Quote from: Tonitrus on February 24, 2015, 03:19:56 PM
And no birds will survive to fly over Texas.  :(

Texas would tell those birds to 'adapt and evolve or die!' but we have too many creationists for that.  Instead we will just pray for them.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

CountDeMoney

No, Texas would simply use legislation to block their access to affordable health and reproductive services.  And then pray for them.

Valmy

Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 24, 2015, 03:33:37 PM
No, Texas would simply use legislation to block their access to affordable health and reproductive services.  And then pray for them.

Communism is not for the birds.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 24, 2015, 03:33:37 PM
No, Texas would simply use legislation to block their access to affordable health and reproductive services.  And then pray for them.

Before that they will require ultrasounds before all bird abortions take place. 
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on February 24, 2015, 04:44:45 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 24, 2015, 03:33:37 PM
No, Texas would simply use legislation to block their access to affordable health and reproductive services.  And then pray for them.

Before that they will require ultrasounds before all bird abortions take place.

Going to show pictures of the egg to the mommy bird before the mommy bird sits on it?   :P

Martinus

Strong words by Cameron being reported today by Polish media. Any insights, Brits?

The Brain

Quote from: Martinus on February 24, 2015, 05:35:26 PM
Strong words by Cameron being reported today by Polish media. Any insights, Brits?

He slammed his toe into something? Spilled hot coffee?
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Martinus

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Quote from: Solmyr on February 24, 2015, 11:24:24 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 24, 2015, 01:36:54 AM
You make it sounds like Putin has always had Crimea/Donetsk as plan B (or even a long term plan). I disagree.

Actually, there are now reports being published (in Novaya Gazeta for example) that Russia had a plan to annex Crimea and Eastern Ukraine ready before Yanukovich even resigned.

I wouldn't be surprised that was included in Russian contingency planning.  But a contingency plan is just that.

Which is also what I said. I bet Russia also has plans to nuke a number of NATO capitals. That doesn't make annexation of Crimea any less of a consolation prize for losing Ukraine.

Martinus

Quote from: Valmy on February 24, 2015, 03:35:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 24, 2015, 03:33:37 PM
No, Texas would simply use legislation to block their access to affordable health and reproductive services.  And then pray for them.

Communism is not for the birds.

Jesus disagreed. He said birds are scrounging.

mongers

Quote from: Martinus on February 24, 2015, 05:35:26 PM
Strong words by Cameron being reported today by Polish media. Any insights, Brits?

Up coming election grandstanding, there's too much Russian money at influence in Westminster or say via the City, for the UK to take a lead over Ukraine.
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Syt

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/amnesty-international-slams-russia-s-rights-record/516464.html

QuoteAmnesty International Slams Russia's Rights Record

In its freshly released annual report, Amnesty International blasted Russia for a broad range of policy issues, from the heavy-handed use of its United Nations veto power, to controversial legislation serving to stifle civil society.

UN Security Council Reform

Russia wasn't the only country that fell afoul of the London-based human rights organization's standards in 2014. The global community as a whole responded to the many conflicts and rights abuses that emerged during the course of the year in a manner that was "shameful and ineffective," the report said.

Citing the general futility of recent peace efforts, Amnesty International called for reforms to the Security Council, the United Nations organ charged with maintaining international peace and security. The council has five permanent members — Russia, United Kingdom, the United States, France and China — and each enjoys veto power over council decisions. At any given time, the council also has 10 non-permanent members, comprised of UN member states serving two-year terms on a rotating basis. The non-permanent members do not enjoy veto power. 

To avoid the stalemates that use of the veto power tends to foster, Amnesty International argued that the Security Council's permanent members should be made to surrender their veto rights in cases involving genocide and other mass atrocities.

Russia's right to veto has prevented the Security Council from taking truly effective action with regard to the Ukraine crisis, the report said. Since April, the ongoing conflict in Ukraine has already claimed the lives of more than 5,600 people and has led to the displacement of more than one million civilians.

"We believe that permanent members of the UN Security Council should conduct themselves in a responsible way, refraining from blocking initiatives that could change or end a [conflict] situation," Anna Neistat, senior director for research at Amnesty International, told journalists on Tuesday in Moscow, indicating that Russian obstructionism had compromised international conflict resolution initiatives.

Russia has used its veto power more than any of the other permanent members of the council, having blocked 101 resolutions since the UN's establishment in 1945. By way of comparison, the United States blocked 79 resolutions during the same period.

Last March, on the eve of a Crimean referendum to secede from Ukraine, paving the way to Russia's annexation of the peninsula, Russia was the lone Security Council member to veto a resolution criticizing the vote.

In May, Russia and China blocked a draft UN resolution calling for the Syrian crisis to be referred to the International Criminal Court, thus preventing the prosecution of those responsible for crimes against humanity in a country that has been ravaged by a bloody civil war since 2011. This resolution was the fourth Russia vetoed with regard to the crisis in Syria. 

Russia has already expressed its reluctance to part with its veto rights, which have faced criticism in the past for making some countries more equal than others at the United Nations. Russia's envoy to the UN,  the pugnacious Vitaly Churkin, publicly opposed limitations of Russia's veto rights during the UN General Assembly in September.

Amnesty International noted in its report that it was far from optimistic about the prospect of successfully stripping world powers of their ability to obstruct UN initiatives.

"It would be very difficult to impose this [the removal of veto rights] in the UN's current framework and structure," Neistat said. "We are not talking about a complete rejection of veto rights, which can still be used in a broad array of situation. We are talking about the renouncement of veto rights in situations in which thousands of peoples' lives are being threatened."

Tensions With the West

Amnesty International's annual report lists as Russia's key human rights issues: restrictions on the fundamental freedoms of expression, assembly and association, state pressure on civil society and political activists, torture allegations and the volatile situation in the North Caucasus.

"The list of sad issues [with regard to Russia's human rights record] is quite long," said Sergei Nikitin, director of Amnesty International's Moscow office, adding that the country's human rights issues greatly outweighed positive developments in the field.

Russia's current economic woes and the deterioration of its relations with the West following the outbreak of the Ukrainian crisis will likely take a toll on its human rights record, according to the organization.

The current tensions could prompt the Kremlin — which Amnesty International has accused of "muzzling the media, toxically branding NGOs as 'foreign agents' and unfairly imprisoning activists" — to grow increasingly nervous and further stifle domestic dissent, the report warned.

Amnesty International's Moscow press conference Tuesday, attended by Russian state-run, independent and foreign media outlets alike, was interspersed with awkward silences and unspoken questions surrounding Russia's alleged role in fueling strife in Ukraine and the state media's lopsided coverage of the crisis.

"What do you think of [U.S. President Barack] Obama's latest political actions toward Ukraine?" a journalist from the state-controlled NTV channel asked, echoing a narrative espoused by Russian officials about the West's responsibility for the bloodshed in Ukraine.

Neistat and Nikitin glanced at each other in apparent disbelief over the question. Journalists' reactions were mixed, with some smiling or chuckling, while others waited with bated breath for Amnesty International's take on the U.S. commander in chief. The answer wouldn't come. The organization's experts declined to comment on a question they said was political, and ill-fitted for a human rights organization to speculate on.

Later during the press conference, the Amnesty International experts deplored the global proliferation of non-state militant groups, which they said had committed human rights abuses in at least 35 countries during the course of 2014. While Neistat cited the Islamic State, Boko Haram and Al Shabab as non-governmental armed groups, one unuttered question loomed large in the cramped press room.

Finally one journalist verbalized it: Does Amnesty International also consider the pro-Russian rebels of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DNR) and the Luhansk People's Republic (LNR) to be among their number?

"Yes" was the organization's short answer.

"Like other armed groups, the self-proclaimed DNR and LNR are faced with the absence of determined structures of command and responsibility, and the absence of [overarching] structures to pressure them, given that they are non-governmental entities," Neistat said.

"Sad" Legislation
"The situation of independent social organizations has greatly deteriorated," Nikitin said. "This is no secret to anyone because the sad 'foreign agents' law is gaining strength. There is no sign of this stopping."

In 2012, Russia tightened control over NGOs, adopting legislation that requires nongovernmental organizations to register with the Justice Ministry under the politically charged label "foreign agent" if they receive funding from abroad and conduct loosely defined "political" activity. The legislation was amended in June 2014 to allow the ministry to tag any NGO with the "foreign agent" label without its consent.

There are currently 41 nongovernmental organizations listed on the Justice Ministry's register of "foreign agents," including prominent election monitoring organization Golos and the Memorial human rights group.

Amnesty International has had its own share of run-ins with the Russian authorities. In March 2013, three representatives from the Prosecutor General's Office and tax police raided its Moscow office in a quest for documents Nikitin said could have easily been obtained from the Justice Ministry.

A few months later, Nikitin was summoned by authorities to review a technical formality in the organization's activities, a move he interpreted as an attempt by the authorities to frighten him and to remind members of Russian civil society who's really in charge.

"None of these [accused] organizations are 'foreign agents'," Nikitin said. "They are the best kind of patriots — the people who work for the benefit of their country."
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Tamas

Too bad Amnesty International is full of morons.

Solmyr

Quote from: Martinus on February 24, 2015, 05:47:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 24, 2015, 03:35:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 24, 2015, 03:33:37 PM
No, Texas would simply use legislation to block their access to affordable health and reproductive services.  And then pray for them.

Communism is not for the birds.

Jesus disagreed. He said birds are scrounging.

I'm worrying about what you have got against birds.

Martinus

#1574
Quote from: Tamas on February 25, 2015, 05:19:33 AM
Too bad Amnesty International is full of morons.

Not really, they aren't. Just as any other goal-oriented NGO, such as PETA, ACLU or Greenpeace, they comment on reality strictly from the perspective of their specific agenda. I think a lot of misunderstanding of their actions comes from the fact that people expect them to act like an impartial arbiter or a policy maker, that would be supposed to balance different principles - that's not their purpose. Their purpose is to offer a point of view so that it is taken into account by policy makers - not to offer solutions.

Organisations like this are akin to prosecutors or defense attorneys in a court trial - they are to present one side of the case to the judge.