The State of Affairs in Russia

[Tonitrus]

He has also done a much better job than the Soviet state in playing the propaganda card in such a way that even when things take a turn for the worse, his popularity shouldn't suffer.

[CountDeMoney]

He has also done a much better job than the Soviet state in playing the propaganda card in such a way that even when things take a turn for the worse, his popularity shouldn't suffer.

The Soviets never played the race card.  At least openly.

[Razgovory]

I don't think the Soviets could every be accused of being deficient in propaganda.  The problem was the enormous gap between what was being said and what people actually experienced.  I don't think Putin is as secure or as strong as he'd like us to think.  One thing that stays the same from Czars, to Soviets, to Putin is the Russian tendency to talk big.

[Barrister]

He has also done a much better job than the Soviet state in playing the propaganda card in such a way that even when things take a turn for the worse, his popularity shouldn't suffer.

The Soviets never played the race card.  At least openly.

Bullshit.  They frequently and repeatedly attacked the US for its treatment of black citizens (despite Soviet society being incredibly racist itself).

[Barrister]

One stone, two birds.

We've been reduced to squeezing the oil out of sand.  It's not a sustainable solution.  It's not going to make the Saudis sweat the long game.

What's this "we" shit?

[DGuller]

He has also done a much better job than the Soviet state in playing the propaganda card in such a way that even when things take a turn for the worse, his popularity shouldn't suffer.

The Soviets never played the race card.  At least openly.

Bullshit.  They frequently and repeatedly attacked the US for its treatment of black citizens (despite Soviet society being incredibly racist itself).

"And you are lynching Negroes".

[Razgovory]

Racism was nationalized in the Soviet Union.  Privatized forms of racism was frowned on, but persecution of minorities by the state was okay.

[CountDeMoney]

Bullshit.  They frequently and repeatedly attacked the US for its treatment of black citizens (despite Soviet society being incredibly racist itself).

Not playing our race card; their race card.

[jimmy olsen]

Putin's becoming the idol of many on the far right (and I mean far right, not relatively sane conservatives) here. After all, he tells women where it's at and doesn't tolerate liberal media. I just don't get it.

One think I have found stunning is the sheer number of people posting in various places around the Internet who appear to love Putin. Granted, many of them are no doubt Russians, but many appear not to be - it seems like folks on the extreme right and left alike see things they like in him and/or blame any confrontation on the West.

Considering how outright full-retard batshit insane he and his supporters appear to be, this is very odd.

I agree, at least Stalin's useful idiots were blinded by an ideology that "worked in theory", as Homer would say. These guys don't even have that. It's just a mix of pure contrarianism and ignorance.

[Martinus]

Yeah. The biggest costs in oil industry involve land acquisition and prospecting. Once you have the oil fields going, it's liquid cash.

Depends on what kind of oil field.  A conventional field, sure.  But if you're looking at offshore stuff, or unconventional plays like the oilsands, the upfront capital costs of developing the field are enormous.

Do Saudis do a lot of either?

[Martinus]

Putin won't be dethroned in any case.  Russians are good at hunkering down and enduring the suffering.

Not by the people, but by the oligarchs? This is not the situation when someone like Khodorkovsky grows too ambitious and wants to turn from money-making to politics. This is the situation when all oligarchs suddenly lose a significant part of their ability to make money (this, of course, assumes that sanctions will continue).

[Martinus]

Bullshit.  They frequently and repeatedly attacked the US for its treatment of black citizens (despite Soviet society being incredibly racist itself).

Not playing our race card; their race card.

Well, hard to play a victim when you also consider yourself the master race.

[Tonitrus]

Putin won't be dethroned in any case.  Russians are good at hunkering down and enduring the suffering.

Not by the people, but by the oligarchs? This is not the situation when someone like Khodorkovsky grows too ambitious and wants to turn from money-making to politics. This is the situation when all oligarchs suddenly lose a significant part of their ability to make money (this, of course, assumes that sanctions will continue).

Putin is probably not only an oligarch, but the oligarch king.

[Sheilbh]

I agree, at least Stalin's useful idiots were blinded by an ideology that "worked in theory", as Homer would say. These guys don't even have that. It's just a mix of pure contrarianism and ignorance.

I liked Nick Cohen's piece on this:

Russia Today: why western cynics lap up Putin's TV poison
It's no surprise that the Kremlin delights in piping TV propaganda to the world – it is guaranteed a receptive audience

Nick Cohen
The Observer, Saturday 8 November 2014 18.00 GMT

Vladimir Putin is the world's corrupt policeman. He finds the seediness in every country and nurtures it. On some occasions, he exploits cynicism and paranoia at once; on others, he banks it for later use. Often he appears to fan corruption for the hell of it because that is all he knows how to do.

The posters appearing on British advertising hoardings promoting his propaganda channel give a notion of the scale of his effort. His underlings have rebranded his Russia Today station "RT" – in the hope that its dumb viewers will not realise that they are watching a channel whose political line follows the Kremlin line with puppyish eagerness.

While reputable news organisations from the BBC to the New York Times fire news reporters who try, however inadequately, to tell the truth, Russia Today has extended its reach. Putin is about to increase its $300m budget by 40%. Its resources will soon compare with Fox News. But while Fox serves the peculiar tastes of the American right, Russia Today has global ambitions. The channel broadcasts in English, Arabic and Spanish and can reach 600 million people. It claims to have surpassed a billion hits on YouTube, and will add German- and French-language channels. For the supposedly pariah leader of a country whose population is collapsing and mafia economy stagnating, Putin has the best publicity money can buy.

Anyone who writes critically about him soon learns the price of lese majeste. BuzzFeed revealed that state-sponsored Russian trolls maintain a Stakhanovite regime of tweeting and commenting on hostile news pieces as they spread the Kremlin's message across the web. (Hello down there in the comments, by the way. Hope the sanctions aren't hurting the pay cheques.)

The reaction of the naive observer to Russia's prostitution of journalism is to think its elite has found a new way to steal from the Russian masses. The obvious question is the best one: what's the point? However many the communists killed, Marxist-Leninists still persuaded people to follow them in large numbers until the 1970s. No one tries to persuade you today that Britain or any other country would be happier if the prime minister had Putin's dictatorial powers and the state became a collection of thieves without an independent judiciary, opposition parties or free press to constrain it.

But the reality of modern Russia is not the impediment it seems. Suppose instead of trying to sell you Putin, Russia Today were to sell you the idea that Britain is as bad as a dictatorship. You might agree, however foolish the sentiment. If you are campaigning for change in a manifestly imperfect but still free and prosperous society, you exaggerate in the hope of attracting attention. (If the government passes this restriction on freedom of speech, we'll be no better than Iran. If the Tories stay in control of the NHS, we'll have third-world hospitals and so on.) A lie is still a lie, even if it is made in a good cause. But I can see why people do it.

The disbelief that oozes through much of public debate in our time is rarely in the service of any cause, however. It is radical indifference; a furious determination to condemn accompanied by an equally determined refusal to commit. Like Russell Brand, millions of people don't want to say what change they want to see, because a commitment would force them to take a position and lay them open to attack.

They aren't cynics but pseudo-sophisticated innocents. They shout "liar" automatically at everyone who tries to rule over them – and doubtless they are right more often than not. But to dispense with the search for proof – the need to demonstrate that the politician or banker is lying – leaves the supposedly wised-up open to capture by cults, conspiracy theorists and Russia.

The Institute of Modern Russia releases a report this week that shows how the collapse of communism liberated Moscow. Communists had to pretend to support leftwing movements – Putin can support anyone. Where the old communists claimed the Soviet Union was freer and more democratic than the west, Putinists claim "all liberalism is cant and anyone can be bought". Russia Today feeds the huge western audience that wants to believe that human rights are a sham and democracy a fix. Believe that and you will ask: what right have we to criticise Putin? At least he is honest in his way.

David Remnick of the New Yorker described Russia Today's "nastily brilliant" ability to feed "resentment of western superiority and resentment of western moralism". He forgot to add that nowhere is that resentment stronger than in the west.

Russia Today's second mission is to spread conspiracy theories that help Russian power and provide sensational audience-grabbing stories – in every sense of the word. If you have heard that the Ukrainians who oppose Putin are fascists, that there is a land called "Novorossiya" in south-east Ukraine that historically belonged to Moscow, or that Assad did not gas Syrians, the odds are the story will have started on Russia Today.

Occasionally, its journalists have crises of conscience – Sara Firth, a London-based correspondent for Russia Today, resigned because of its lies about flight MH17. But replacements can always be found among the ranks of the desperate and unscrupulous.

I said that no one believed Putin offered a future for humanity. But his post-communist, postmodern flexibility means that many are prepared cut a deal when the bent copper makes an offer. Alex Salmond admires him because the break-up of Britain is in Russia's interests. Nigel Farage, Marine le Pen and all the other leaders of Europe's far right run to him because he shares their hatred of the EU. Despite his alliance with what we once called neofascism, the old communist left in Germany, George Galloway and Julian Assange support him because opposition to the west trumps anti-fascism in their book.

Russia Today provides a platform for anti-fracking greens because Putin wants us to remain dependent on Russian oil and gas. Viktor Orbán and Recep Tayyip Erdogan see how Putin has accumulated dictatorial power in Russia and wish to imitate him in Hungary and Turkey. London's banks and law and PR firms work for him because the oligarchy pumps money their way. In Europe and at the United Nations, bigots of all descriptions welcome Putin's leadership in fighting calls for gay equality and religious freedom.

However battered he looks, Putin knows how to manipulate all he comes across. It is about time the rest of the world knew it too.

[Sheilbh]

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