The State of Affairs in Russia

[Zanza]

The idea that the West has the resources, assets and capabilities to stage this kind of violent conflict in Central Asia is absurd.

[DGuller]

The idea that the West has the resources, assets and capabilities to stage this kind of violent conflict in Central Asia is absurd.

I think Russian propaganda has figured out a while ago that making lies plausible is a waste of resources that could better be spent spreading more lies.

[Berkut]

The idea that the West has the resources, assets and capabilities to stage this kind of violent conflict in Central Asia is absurd.

I think Russian propaganda has figured out a while ago that making lies plausible is a waste of resources that could better be spent spreading more lies.

I just hope we can get some truth seeking investigations to get to the bottom of it.

[grumbler]

I think Russian propaganda has figured out a while ago that making lies plausible is a waste of resources that could better be spent spreading more lies.

  Funny because true.

  On second thought, maybe not so funny.

[Gaijin de Moscu]

The idea that the West has the resources, assets and capabilities to stage this kind of violent conflict in Central Asia is absurd.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR3000/RR3063/RAND_RR3063.pdf

It's all out in the open access. See page 6 for the contents.

An interesting read.

[Zoupa]

That's a think tank research paper, not public policy.

[grumbler]

The idea that the West has the resources, assets and capabilities to stage this kind of violent conflict in Central Asia is absurd.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR3000/RR3063/RAND_RR3063.pdf

It's all out in the open access. See page 6 for the contents.

An interesting read.

These are all recommendations, not operations.  None of them propose trying "to stage this kind of violent conflict in Central Asia."  It's interesting that you try to fly this document as support for your argument.

[Razgovory]

It's like they're repelling an invasion.

Close.  They are an invasion.

[Valmy]

We have enough to worry about with China, I cannot imagine we are scheming ways to fuck with Russia. But hey we might not be very smart, I don't know.

[jimmy olsen]

So because revolutions are messy and violent, people should just never rebel against the government?

People don't rebel because they're bored. They rebel because there are systematic problems in society that cannot be solved while working within the system. 

Do revolutions often fail to fix those systematic probelms? Yes, but saying that becasue of that people should nrver try and give up to accept their shitty lot in life is nihilistic in the extreme.

Do you honestly believe what's happening in Kazakhstan now is a "revolution"?

My country (Russia) has had more than a fair share of revolutions. We know what happens every time: a hostile force such as communists or nationalists intercepts the agenda. Life ALWAYS worsens after a revolution. It's just a fact... at least for my country. So we've had enough.

It's an attempt at a revolution sure. Revolution don't require a modern ideology like liberalism or communism. There can be theocratic revolutions, tribal uprisings, etc. Coherent ideologies are not required, simply mass participation by enough of the population to take it beyond level of court infighting with the aim of tearing down the powers that be and replacing them.

I think that the French Revolution is a textbook example of a revolution that got out of hand, what with the terror and the quarter century of great power warfare that followed and the country was still better off after all of that.

Even the Russian Revolution, with a terrible communist regime that killed millions of its own people was arguably a net positive, because I don't see that the Czarist regime that they replaced would have had any chance in defeating the Nazi invasion and preventing the ensuing genocide of the Russian people.

[Eddie Teach]

Hitler would have kept the pact with a tsarist Russia.

[grumbler]

Hitler would have kept the pact with a tsarist Russia.

Tsarist Russia would never have made that pact with Hitler.

[Eddie Teach]

Why do you say that?

The old conservative/monarchist wing in Germany got behind him.

[Gaijin de Moscu]

It's like they're repelling an invasion.

Close.  They are an invasion.

They're on their allied territory, on official request from their ally's leadership.

[Gaijin de Moscu]

The idea that the West has the resources, assets and capabilities to stage this kind of violent conflict in Central Asia is absurd.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR3000/RR3063/RAND_RR3063.pdf

It's all out in the open access. See page 6 for the contents.

An interesting read.

These are all recommendations, not operations.  None of them propose trying "to stage this kind of violent conflict in Central Asia."  It's interesting that you try to fly this document as support for your argument.

Sure, of course.

Chapter 4, Measure 5: Reduce Russian Influence in Central Asia (page 121).

It's all part of the old Big Game. The British Empire, then the US, have actively pursued this policy for centuries. Of course, Russia pursues the mirror strategy just as actively. Why deny the obvious?

This Game will never end... just a part of life.

Anyway, all I'm saying is that's just one possible scenario. One out of many.