Mittenspalooza World Tour 2012: The MegaMormonThread!

[Faeelin]

Or perhaps they'll view as a non-issue.

I'm not sure its' a non issue. "Your healthcare system is great and more cost effective because of. Umm. Err."

I agree this is too complicated to explain to American voters, but it's weird for him to come out and call a government controlled healthcare system better.

I don't see why Israel or Canada or the United Kingdom are radically different such that their systems couldn't be emulated here, but I have more faith in America than the Republican party does, I guess.

[garbon]

Or perhaps they'll view as a non-issue.

I'm not sure its' a non issue. "Your healthcare system is great and more cost effective because of. Umm. Err."

I agree this is too complicated to explain to American voters, but it's weird for him to come out and call a government controlled healthcare system better.

I don't see why Israel or Canada or the United Kingdom are radically different such that their systems couldn't be emulated here, but I have more faith in America than the Republican party does, I guess.

It is a non-issue for me because I don't care what pandering statements he makes.

[Valmy]

He praised the results, not the type of system.  I've always said that socialized medicine might work great for other countries, but that it's just not the right system for us (though arguably it's less bad than the Obamacare system).

Well we have been using socialized medicine for decades.  I sure hope we transition over to this other system that works sometime.  Could you describe it for me?

[The Minsky Moment]

It's an issue for this reason:  health care is one of the single most important domestic issues for the US, comprosing 18% of the US economy.
And I have no idea what Romney plans to do about it, and neither does anyone else.  Probably including Romney himself.

This is not mere flip-flopping, it is a gaping abyss of ambiguity and confusion.

[derspiess]

He praised the results, not the type of system.  I've always said that socialized medicine might work great for other countries, but that it's just not the right system for us (though arguably it's less bad than the Obamacare system).

Well we have been using socialized medicine for decades.  I sure hope we transition over to this other system that works sometime.  Could you describe it for me?

[Valmy]

We either have poor people who get health care from the state, old people who get health care from the state, or a system where employers provide health care to the working people which is heavily subsidized by tax breaks from the state.  So in each and every case it is socialized medicine and has been.  That is just a fact.  So throwing out that label as something radically different than what we do now always baffles me.

But again if there is a system that works that is not like this I will be happy to hear what it is.  It seems to me we are rejecting socialized medicine systems that work better in favor of our current system which is not just incredibly expensive but a time bomb destined to seriously damage us.  You know Medicare and all that.

So flipping out about what appears to me to be a minor adjustment like Obama Care compared to the whole disastrous thing kind of ticks me off.  It makes no sense and it is like we cannot even address the very serious underlying problems.

[DGuller]

So throwing out that label as something radically different than what we do now always baffles me.

It doesn't baffle me in the least. 

[Valmy]

It doesn't baffle me in the least. 

Ok I am sure there is some cynical reason for it but Spicey is not lobbying me to vote for some candidate or some bill he is talking to me on a message board.  He knows I am not an idiot but he seemed puzzled when I stated the obvious.

[DGuller]

It doesn't baffle me in the least. 

Ok I am sure there is some cynical reason for it but Spicey is not lobbying me to vote for some candidate or some bill he is talking to me on a message board.  He knows I am not an idiot but he seemed puzzled when I stated the obvious.

He's not exactly the mastermind behind the propaganda.  He's an enthusiastic victim.

[Martinus]

We either have poor people who get health care from the state, old people who get health care from the state, or a system where employers provide health care to the working people which is heavily subsidized by tax breaks from the state.  So in each and every case it is socialized medicine and has been.  That is just a fact.  So throwing out that label as something radically different than what we do now always baffles me.

But again if there is a system that works that is not like this I will be happy to hear what it is.  It seems to me we are rejecting socialized medicine systems that work better in favor of our current system which is not just incredibly expensive but a time bomb destined to seriously damage us.  You know Medicare and all that.

So flipping out about what appears to me to be a minor adjustment like Obama Care compared to the whole disastrous thing kind of ticks me off.  It makes no sense and it is like we cannot even address the very serious underlying problems.

I'm more curious by his statement that the system may work for others but will not work for Americans. Are Americans so different from Brits or Canadians?

[garbon]

Are Americans so different from Brits or Canadians?

Uh, duh.

[alfred russel]

We either have poor people who get health care from the state, old people who get health care from the state, or a system where employers provide health care to the working people which is heavily subsidized by tax breaks from the state.  So in each and every case it is socialized medicine and has been.  That is just a fact. 

I know that there are different definitions for socialism, but such a system doesn't seem to be socialism to me.

[alfred russel]

I don't see why Israel or Canada or the United Kingdom are radically different such that their systems couldn't be emulated here, but I have more faith in America than the Republican party does, I guess.

Lawyers.

[Valmy]

I know that there are different definitions for socialism, but such a system doesn't seem to be socialism to me.

Well Socialism I thought meant nationalizing the means of production but the word gets pretty loosely thrown around these days.  So if the state providing money for people's health care is not socialism what exactly is it that makes socialized medicine socialist?

[derspiess]

It doesn't baffle me in the least. 

Ok I am sure there is some cynical reason for it but Spicey is not lobbying me to vote for some candidate or some bill he is talking to me on a message board.  He knows I am not an idiot but he seemed puzzled when I stated the obvious.

I'm not in the mood to debate healthcare.  Besides, don't you have some size 0 diapers to change?