Gay Couple Eyes Lawsuit After Finding Pic on 'Hate Group' Mailer

Started by garbon, July 13, 2012, 01:00:22 PM

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QuoteBrian Edwards and Tom Privitere, a New Jersey couple married in 2010, were horrified when a photo of them kissing at their engagement party was altered and turned up in an anti-gay unions mailer 2,000 miles away.

The playful photo had been posted on Edwards' personal blog and was originally set against the backdrop of the New York City skyline.

But the doctored photo showed the gay couple standing in a snowy Colorado setting and was used in a political campaign to attack a Republican who supported civil union legislation.

The tagline for the ad, which was sponsored by Public Advocate of the United States, was: "State Sen. Jean White's Idea of 'Family Values?'" White later lost the primary.

Now, with the help of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the couple and photographer Kristina Hill are threatening to sue the organization behind the ad and its president, Eugene Delgaudio, if they do not stop using the photo.

"Our initial reaction was complete shock," said Privitere, 37, who works in entertainment ticketing and lives with Edwards in Montclair, N.J. The couple has been together for 12 years.

"We were heartbroken to see that our picture that was taken to represent love and family, and our values, and to share with other LGBT couples, was used for complete opposite purposes to induce fear and spread hate and bigotry," he said.

Public Advocate, based in Falls Church, Va., is on the SPLC's 2011 hate group list. It never had permission to use the photo, according to Hill, who runs her own wedding photography business.

Delgaudio, who is head of the board of supervisors for Loudon County in Virginia, told ABCNews.com that he has not yet received SPLC's letter and is "looking into the matter."

"I am searching whether or not we have the photo," he said. "I have not commented on this ever and I have no statements on it. ... Someone could do this without my permission -- but I am working on it."

Public Advocate, a grassroots advocacy organization, claimed that "thousands flock" to its website and called the Southern Poverty Law Center a "prehistoric dinosaur."

"I have no idea what that means," SPLC lawyer Christine Sun told ABCNews.com.

She said Public Advocate has 10 days to respond to her letter and then SPLC will make legal copyright claims for Hill and state law privacy claims and infliction of emotion distress on behalf of Edwards and Tom Privitere.

"Beyond a lawsuit ... we decided to get involved because these actions are truly reprehensible -- to take a personal photo of the happiest day in a couple's life and use it in a homophobic attack ad," said Sun. "It's demonizing, unfair and unjustifiable."

The couple learned the photo had been taken without authorization from a friend who saw it in a mailer from Sen. White and called them in June.

"Our immediate reaction was to find out where it had come from," said Edwards, 32, a college administrator. "We scoured the Internet and found an article in the Denver Post to find out more."

"We went through the whole process of anger and heartbreak," said Privitere. "And now that we are on this road, we are trying to get some justice not just for us, but for other couples."

SPLC's criteria for listing hate groups is based on those who "demonize" a class of people with "misinformation and lies," according to Heidi Beirich, director of the SPLC Intelligence Project. Such groups include the Ku Klux Klan, anti-Semitic organizations, neo-Nazis and black supremacy groups.

"There are only a handful of anti-gay groups," said Beirich. "We don't list those who are against gay marriage or the Biblical prescription against gay marriage -- only the groups that are engaged in demonizing propaganda and lies about the gay community and basically lying about them to make them pariahs."

Previous campaigns by Public Advocate include:

A fundraising letter asking recipients to "imagine a world where police allow homosexual adults to rape young boys on the streets?"

Comparing same-sex marriage to bestiality.

Suggesting having gays as Boy Scout leaders is "the same as being an accessory to the rape of hundreds of boys."

Characterizing campaigns to stop anti-LGBT bullying as "requir[ing] schools to teach appalling homosexual acts ... force private and even religious schools to teach a pro-homosexual agenda."

"I use colorful language and hyperbole, but when I say something like, 'Keep Obama away from your children,' I am not stupid, I know it's hyperbole," said Delgaudio.

"We definitely have 2,000 photos and in the neighborhood of 80 to 100 videos on my website, and if someone doesn't want us to use it, we take it off," he said. "We seek permission or we take the stuff off that's not in the public domain.

"This may be the first objection in 30 years," Delgaudio said. "Frankly, we are not distributing this photo and I'd be hard pressed to find anything today. Mostly, this an attack on me from previous statements I've made."

As SPLC waits for or a response from Public Advocate before the threatened legal action, Edwards and Privitere hope the incident is a teachable moment.

"We want to use this as an opportunity to educate people and show them that a gay couple can and do have loving relationships," said Edwards.

"This sort of thing has a trickle-down effect," said Privitere. "I think of all the closeted gay high school students who got mail that day and felt disheartened that they would never have a family and the parents on the fence about whether to accept their gay child for who they are. That hurts.

"These people are spreading lies, and I want them [recipients of the mailers] to know they have our support," he added.

Definitely not cute though and involving SPLC? :bleeding:
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garbon

Also:

QuoteA fundraising letter asking recipients to "imagine a world where police allow homosexual adults to rape young boys on the streets?"

:lol:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: garbon on July 13, 2012, 01:00:22 PM
Definitely not cute though and involving SPLC? :bleeding:

The SPLC fights what you fear whether you like it or not, you self-loathing anti-gay gay type person.

garbon

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 13, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 13, 2012, 01:00:22 PM
Definitely not cute though and involving SPLC? :bleeding:

The SPLC fights what you fear whether you like it or not, you self-loathing anti-gay gay type person.

I think it is totally fine to threaten a lawsuit to this hate group.  Connecting up with SPLC not so much.
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Neil

Works in entertainment ticketing?

Sounds like fancy talk for those people that work in the box office, back before they replaced them with computers.
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derspiess

QuoteSPLC's criteria for listing hate groups is based on those who "demonize" a class of people with "misinformation and lies," according to Heidi Beirich, director of the SPLC Intelligence Project. Such groups include the Ku Klux Klan, anti-Semitic organizations, neo-Nazis and black supremacy groups.

So then Obama and his administration/campaign are a hate group for demonizing rich guys :lol:
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on July 13, 2012, 01:55:44 PM
So then Obama and his administration/campaign are a hate group for demonizing rich guys :lol:

Rich guys don't need any help being demonized.

dps

Quote from: garbon on July 13, 2012, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 13, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 13, 2012, 01:00:22 PM
Definitely not cute though and involving SPLC? :bleeding:

The SPLC fights what you fear whether you like it or not, you self-loathing anti-gay gay type person.

I think it is totally fine to threaten a lawsuit to this hate group.  Connecting up with SPLC not so much.

Frankly, unless there's more to the story, the only legal issue I see is using someone's image without their permission.

Josquius

Quote from: garbon on July 13, 2012, 01:03:11 PM
Also:

QuoteA fundraising letter asking recipients to "imagine a world where police allow homosexual adults to rape young boys on the streets?"

:lol:

Ah the old gays=rapists, backs against the wall boys, thing.
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Martinus

Quote from: dps on July 13, 2012, 10:38:11 PMFrankly, unless there's more to the story, the only legal issue I see is using someone's image without their permission.

What about defamation of character? If I took your picture and made a leaflet "Would you imagine that a child rapist could look like that?" then even if I am not directly calling you a child rapist it is actionable beyond just, say, if your picture was used in a holiday spot ad.

Martinus

Quote from: garbon on July 13, 2012, 01:03:11 PM
Also:

QuoteA fundraising letter asking recipients to "imagine a world where police allow homosexual adults to rape young boys on the streets?"

:lol:

I wonder how many people donated thinking this was the stated goal. :P

Martinus

Anyway, back in 2005 elections, the dead Kaczynski's presidential campaigners used a picture of some New York gay couple in an anti-gay-marriage ad (nb, they also used Merkel - the overall message of the ultimately successful ad was something along the lines of "Germans are coming to steal our land and gay-marry our children"). The gay couple eventually came to Poland, sued the Polish state and was feted by leftist and liberal media outlets.

Another reason why Kaczynski doing a big splat in Russia was a good thing.

dps

Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2012, 04:12:36 AM
Quote from: dps on July 13, 2012, 10:38:11 PMFrankly, unless there's more to the story, the only legal issue I see is using someone's image without their permission.

What about defamation of character? If I took your picture and made a leaflet "Would you imagine that a child rapist could look like that?" then even if I am not directly calling you a child rapist it is actionable beyond just, say, if your picture was used in a holiday spot ad.

Hm.  Didn't think of that angle.  It might be actionable, though there'd be a stronger case if the people in the picture were identified by name.

Martinus

Quote from: dps on July 14, 2012, 10:05:46 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2012, 04:12:36 AM
Quote from: dps on July 13, 2012, 10:38:11 PMFrankly, unless there's more to the story, the only legal issue I see is using someone's image without their permission.

What about defamation of character? If I took your picture and made a leaflet "Would you imagine that a child rapist could look like that?" then even if I am not directly calling you a child rapist it is actionable beyond just, say, if your picture was used in a holiday spot ad.

Hm.  Didn't think of that angle.  It might be actionable, though there'd be a stronger case if the people in the picture were identified by name.

Don't think I agree. If it is actionable if someone uses your picture without your permission in any other context then it should be in this - otherwise, if a picture without a name underneath does not link to the person depicted, then that person has no cause arguing against the use of this picture without his or her permission in any situation (other than in the context of IP rights, but that would be the right of the person who took the picture, not the person who is in it).

In fact I would say that, in the absence of additional identifying data, an inappropriate/defaming use of someone's picture has a potential to do more harm to that person than just using that person's name (except when the name is unique/refers to a celebrity/well known person).

garbon

With a well known person you wouldn't need to put in a name.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.