Armstrong's luck running out?

[Barrister]

Oh, you're right on that regard. I sort of wish Armstrong was man enough to admit to his cheating and then reveal all what we suspect about UCI (they surely were aware of such widespread corruption for years), but I don't think it will happen.

Would he be credible?

I think he would; he would be confirming most people's suspicions, afterall. And I'm sure he could give enough details to make a credible picture of it.

I dunno.  Jose Canseco came clean about drug use in baseball, and although everything that has been confirmed about his story has checked out, but he's viewed with suspicion.

[lustindarkness]

If not compression suite, They weren't wearing coton speedos out there.

I can pick a different item too, like the shoes of the track & fielders.

The compression suits were the "new high tech things" that were blamed for all the records being broken.  The whole thing about them was that they would compress/shape the bodies of the swimmers into an ideal shape, were buoyant, etc, and really just helped the swimmers out way more than they probably should.  There's nothing "crazy" about what they're allowed to wear now though.  They're just swim suits.

I don't know what either shoes or swim suits have to do with athletes getting all roided up or whatever though.   

More swimming records were broken since anyway right? I kinda liked the compression suits, they looked cool.

[lustindarkness]

Berkut and CDM used to steamroll me in the good days of "Old Europe" pre-Irak war, I used to be your usual left wing Euroweenie back then.

I'm Spanish. Lived in NYC for a few years though, so I have a smidgen of yank cred.

If you are friends with Larch, then I'm sure you are good people.

Well, it's pretty easy to be friend of Larchie.

True.

Welcome.

[MadBurgerMaker]

More swimming records were broken since anyway right? I kinda liked the compression suits, they looked cool.

Yeah, they were breaking them in London without the cool suits.  Not as many, but still. 

I still don't get why there was all the whining about OMG ITS BASICALLY STEROIDS COVERING THEIR BODIES.  Swimming at the Beijing games was pretty fucking awesome.  Technology is part of sports.  Speedo came up with a better way to make a swimsuit.  Cool.  Why not use it, or at least some of it, instead of forcing everyone to go back to the old ways of doing things because swimmers were doing "too well" while wearing them?

[merithyn]

I used to post in the EUOT waaaay ago, and remember a lot of the people on here (although most people won't remember me of course, I was rather small time). I went back there after a few years hiatus, and found it has been sort of neutered. I also have met Larchie in real life a few times and he brought me here.

Anyway, regarding the issue at hand, I don't think that athletes chose to potentially die of a heart attack when they are 50 just to be able to compete in their discipline. I see what you mean regarding specialists and training equipment as an accepted way of science meddling in sports but all those are ways to optimize the athletes' own capabilities, not create them.

Welcome.

[katmai]

Berkut and CDM used to steamroll me in the good days of "Old Europe" pre-Irak war, I used to be your usual left wing Euroweenie back then.

I'm Spanish. Lived in NYC for a few years though, so I have a smidgen of yank cred.

If you are friends with Larch, then I'm sure you are good people.

Well, it's pretty easy to be friend of Larchie.

lies!!!

[Neil]

As if simply saying 'you're no longer the winner' is enough to make it so.  If people don't like doping in their sports, maybe competitive cycling isn't the sport for them.

[Grey Fox]

If not compression suite, They weren't wearing coton speedos out there.

I can pick a different item too, like the shoes of the track & fielders.

The compression suits were the "new high tech things" that were blamed for all the records being broken.  The whole thing about them was that they would compress/shape the bodies of the swimmers into an ideal shape, were buoyant, etc, and really just helped the swimmers out way more than they probably should.  There's nothing "crazy" about what they're allowed to wear now though.  They're just swim suits.

I don't know what either shoes or swim suits have to do with athletes getting all roided up or whatever though.   

It's the samething. One is technological advancement that affects equipments, the other is a technological advancement that affects the body.

Same thing, the sport & performance is irrevocably affected. Yet one is good, the other is bad. I don't understand that.

[Pedrito]

The one affecting the body could be harmful for the individual , it's pretty simple

L.

[katmai]

Wtf are you babbling about GF. The suits are illegal, doping is illegal. Only one here implying that one is allowed and one isn't is you.

[sbr]

The line gets really hazy to me when you start talking about contact sports like American football.  Things like steroids and hgh are horrible things, but the anti-inflammatories and pain killers that these guys live on, and without which they would be unable to take the field most weeks are seen as not only fine, but courageous.  I  can't imagine that the steroids and hgh are that much worse for you than extended long term use of the anti-inflammatories and pain killers.

[MadBurgerMaker]

It's the samething. One is technological advancement that affects equipments, the other is a technological advancement that affects the body.

Same thing, the sport & performance is irrevocably affected. Yet one is good, the other is bad. I don't understand that.

How is that the same thing?

[Liep]

Next stop: bankruptcy.

Lance Armstrong stands to lose another $7.5 million after being officially stripped of all of his competitive results dating back to August 1, 1998, on top of having to pay back some $3.9 million in prize money from the Tour de France. The BBC Sport reported today that SCA Promotions, which in 2006 settled out of court in a case to pay out bonuses to Armstrong for winning the 2004 Tour de France, is seeking to recoup those funds.

"We will make a formal demand for return of funds," said SCA Promotions attorney Jeffrey M. Tillotson. "If this is not successful, we will initiate formal legal proceedings against Mr Armstrong in five business days."

The company was one of several which insured Tailwind Sports, the owner of Armstrong's US Postal and Discovery Channel teams from having to pay out the $5 million bonus promised to him if he were to win the Tour de France for the sixth time in 2004.

When allegations of doping by Armstrong became public after the release of L.A. Confidentiel, the expose written by David Walsh and Pierre Ballester, SCA Promotions refused to pay the bonus.

Armstrong took the case to arbitration, where despite testimony from individuals such as Betsy and Frankie Andreu, supporting the assertions in the book that Armstrong doped, the two parties settled out of court, with SCA Promotions having to pay the bonus plus $2.5m in legal fees and interest because the wording of the contract held them to payment as long as Armstrong was the winner of the Tours.

Now that this is no longer the case, the company is seeking to reverse the outcome.

"This is not a happy day for my client, but he feels Lance Armstrong has brought this upon himself," said Tillotson.

[DGuller]

Armstrong is going to find out what it feels like to be Burgundy in EU3 after losing their first big war.

[Zoupa]

Berkut? Yi? derspiess? Hello?

Where are you guys? Hello....?