Armstrong's luck running out?

[garbon]

I get where are you coming from, but given the potential health hazards of doping, and putting the onus on who has the best chemist instead of who trains harder is enough for me to draw the line.

The issue I have is with the hypocrisy of those involved. The UCI is really sickened over this?

[MadBurgerMaker]

They are still A-Ok, the London games were full of them. It's just that the Swimming governing body has decided to regulate their use instead of stocking it's head in the sands.

No they weren't.  The compression suits were banned prior to the London Olympics.

[celedhring]

I still don't care.

I still don't understand why doping is wrong while crazy bathing suits are A-Ok.

Crazy bathing suits aren't A-Ok anymore, though.

I get where are you coming from, but given the potential health hazards of doping, and putting the onus on who has the best chemist instead of who trains harder is enough for me to draw the line.

(EDIT: First post!)

They are still A-Ok, the London games were full of them. It's just that the Swimming governing body has decided to regulate their use instead of stocking it's head in the sands.

Fuck the health hazard, they are athletes, they chose this*. The onus hasn't been on training in decades. What's with all the specialists the athletes & teams hire.

Also, WTFAY?

*except the Chinese, of course.

I used to post in the EUOT waaaay ago, and remember a lot of the people on here (although most people won't remember me of course, I was rather small time). I went back there after a few years hiatus, and found it has been sort of neutered. I also have met Larchie in real life a few times and he brought me here.

Anyway, regarding the issue at hand, I don't think that athletes chose to potentially die of a heart attack when they are 50 just to be able to compete in their discipline. I see what you mean regarding specialists and training equipment as an accepted way of science meddling in sports but all those are ways to optimize the athletes' own capabilities, not create them.

[DGuller]

They are still A-Ok, the London games were full of them. It's just that the Swimming governing body has decided to regulate their use instead of stocking it's head in the sands.

Fuck the health hazard, they are athletes, they chose this*. The onus hasn't been on training in decades. What's with all the specialists the athletes & teams hire.

Also, WTFAY?

*except the Chinese, of course.

The problem is that athletes are so competitive that they're going to compete each other into the grave.  Blood doping is a serious business, a number of cyclists died after pushing the limit too far.

[Grey Fox]

They are still A-Ok, the London games were full of them. It's just that the Swimming governing body has decided to regulate their use instead of stocking it's head in the sands.

No they weren't.  The compression suits were banned prior to the London Olympics.

If not compression suite, They weren't wearing coton speedos out there.

I can pick a different item too, like the shoes of the track & fielders.

[celedhring]

I get where are you coming from, but given the potential health hazards of doping, and putting the onus on who has the best chemist instead of who trains harder is enough for me to draw the line.

The issue I have is with the hypocrisy of those involved. The UCI is really sickened over this?

Oh, you're right on that regard. I sort of wish Armstrong was man enough to admit to his cheating and then reveal all what we suspect about UCI (they surely were aware of such widespread corruption for years), but I don't think it will happen.

[Martinus]

OMG! Celery-herring! 

[MadBurgerMaker]

If not compression suite, They weren't wearing coton speedos out there.

I can pick a different item too, like the shoes of the track & fielders.

The compression suits were the "new high tech things" that were blamed for all the records being broken.  The whole thing about them was that they would compress/shape the bodies of the swimmers into an ideal shape, were buoyant, etc, and really just helped the swimmers out way more than they probably should.  There's nothing "crazy" about what they're allowed to wear now though.  They're just swim suits.

I don't know what either shoes or swim suits have to do with athletes getting all roided up or whatever though.   

[Barrister]

I used to post in the EUOT waaaay ago, and remember a lot of the people on here (although most people won't remember me of course, I was rather small time). I went back there after a few years hiatus, and found it has been sort of neutered. I also have met Larchie in real life a few times and he brought me here.

I remember you.

Though to be honest, I don't actually remember anything about you...

[Eddie Teach]

Are you Welsh by any chance?

[alfred russel]

Oh, you're right on that regard. I sort of wish Armstrong was man enough to admit to his cheating and then reveal all what we suspect about UCI (they surely were aware of such widespread corruption for years), but I don't think it will happen.

Would he be credible?

[celedhring]

Berkut and CDM used to steamroll me in the good days of "Old Europe" pre-Irak war, I used to be your usual left wing Euroweenie back then.

I'm Spanish. Lived in NYC for a few years though, so I have a smidgen of yank cred.

[celedhring]

Oh, you're right on that regard. I sort of wish Armstrong was man enough to admit to his cheating and then reveal all what we suspect about UCI (they surely were aware of such widespread corruption for years), but I don't think it will happen.

Would he be credible?

I think he would; he would be confirming most people's suspicions, afterall. And I'm sure he could give enough details to make a credible picture of it.

[alfred russel]

Berkut and CDM used to steamroll me in the good days of "Old Europe" pre-Irak war, I used to be your usual left wing Euroweenie back then.

I'm Spanish. Lived in NYC for a few years though, so I have a smidgen of yank cred.

If you are friends with Larch, then I'm sure you are good people.

[celedhring]

Berkut and CDM used to steamroll me in the good days of "Old Europe" pre-Irak war, I used to be your usual left wing Euroweenie back then.

I'm Spanish. Lived in NYC for a few years though, so I have a smidgen of yank cred.

If you are friends with Larch, then I'm sure you are good people.

Well, it's pretty easy to be friend of Larchie.