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Started by Syt, June 26, 2012, 12:12:54 PM

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Syt

#75
November 22, 2012, 01:07:54 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 22, 2012, 12:45:35 AM
I thought they did.  A new PC game cost about 40 odd bucks back '98.  Now they cost nearly 60.  Course with Steam, you can get them a lot cheaper.

Not over here. Top shelf PC games cost between 80 and 120 German Marks and they cost 40-60€ now (DM => € is roughly 2:1). NES and SNES games could cost up to 140 DM, now 70 €.
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Grey Fox

#76
November 22, 2012, 07:24:49 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 22, 2012, 12:45:35 AM
I thought they did.  A new PC game cost about 40 odd bucks back '98.  Now they cost nearly 60.  Course with Steam, you can get them a lot cheaper.

The Rise of Nations box previously mentioned has a price tag : 69.99$
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CountDeMoney

#77
November 22, 2012, 07:29:31 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on November 22, 2012, 12:45:00 AM
You do know what inflation is, right?  They don't "cost the same" at all.

I know what gouging the customer to maximize profit in exchange for a product of lesser quality is.

$49.99 for a PC game in 1989 with maps, overlays, books and posters versus $54.99 for an empty box and a .pdf in 2009.   Some inflation.

Josephus

#78
November 22, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for all that extra shit. And who actually prints out an 80-page manual?
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Syt

#79
November 22, 2012, 09:06:18 AM
Quote from: Josephus on November 22, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for all that extra shit. And who actually prints out an 80-page manual?

People with access to high volume laser printers and binding equipment at work.

Only did that for War in the East, though.
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Razgovory

#80
November 22, 2012, 11:59:57 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 22, 2012, 07:24:49 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 22, 2012, 12:45:35 AM
I thought they did.  A new PC game cost about 40 odd bucks back '98.  Now they cost nearly 60.  Course with Steam, you can get them a lot cheaper.

The Rise of Nations box previously mentioned has a price tag : 69.99$

I remember buying Starcraft new for less then 50, and not thinking it out of the ordinary.  I also remember thinking they were cheaper then console games at the time.
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Habbaku

#81
November 25, 2012, 01:01:25 PM
Tim Stone over at RPS seems to enjoy Commander : the Great War.  Might have to give it a shot.   :hmm:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/11/23/the-flare-path-a-hextasy-of-fumbling/#more-132989
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The Brain

#82
November 25, 2012, 01:04:47 PM
I dunno. What does Jim Stone say about it?
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#83
November 27, 2012, 12:41:21 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 22, 2012, 12:45:35 AM
I thought they did.  A new PC game cost about 40 odd bucks back '98.  Now they cost nearly 60.  Course with Steam, you can get them a lot cheaper.

The economic reality of the game industry now is effective price discrimination.
The big fans willing to spend more are hooked with special limited edition blah blah blah and pay over retail.  The enthusiasts buy on release and pay full retail.  Those willing to wait 1+ years can get a nice fat discount through steam, etc. and pay a fraction what one used to pay in the old days.
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Tamas

#84
November 27, 2012, 01:03:59 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on November 25, 2012, 01:01:25 PM
Tim Stone over at RPS seems to enjoy Commander : the Great War.  Might have to give it a shot.   :hmm:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/11/23/the-flare-path-a-hextasy-of-fumbling/#more-132989

its quite good yes. I have doubts about replayability though. Like, since I couldn't be bothered with the stupid submarine mechanics, USA never got close to joining in against me.

Also, Entente AI I think never ever does amphib landings against Turkey, not even in Mesopotamia. So while upon Turkish entry you get hit with a totally unhistorical British zergrush through the Sinai, you can stop it by moving all Turkish units there.
Also Russia seem to ignore the Caucasus unless you make a move. I had a game where it launched a counter offensive, and I had two where it remained passive.

Otherwise the fronts work mostly historical I guess.

Sooo... I highly recommend it for something like playing one game to completition per side, maybe for PBEM.

Habbaku

#85
November 27, 2012, 03:47:54 PM
Yeah, I've never been concerned with AI in wargames aside from the EU stuff and its ilk.  PBEM is infinitely more fun and challenging.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

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Berkut

#86
November 27, 2012, 03:53:50 PM
I thought it looked interesting until I saw a screenshot that looked like units were pretty generic with the rather old and tired PG 1-10 strength points thing, rather than representing actually military units (corps, divisions,armies, whatever).
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Tamas

#87
November 27, 2012, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on November 27, 2012, 03:47:54 PM
Yeah, I've never been concerned with AI in wargames aside from the EU stuff and its ilk.  PBEM is infinitely more fun and challenging.

Right, except that it is more cumbersome than just sitting down for a relaxing single player session.

Habbaku

#88
November 27, 2012, 05:09:24 PM
Yeah, why go in search of girls when you can just stay home and jerk off?
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

Berkut

#89
November 27, 2012, 06:09:00 PM
Context shift!
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