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Valmy

#825
August 27, 2020, 01:44:17 PM
Most patriots think their country is great now, not fallen from some imagined golden age that must be restored by great leaders.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

grumbler

#826
August 27, 2020, 02:17:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2020, 01:44:17 PM
Most patriots think their country is great now, not fallen from some imagined golden age that must be restored by great leaders.

Unlike you, I've never met "most patriots," so cannot tell you what they think, but I can say that many people considered patriots wanted to see their country improved.  Martin Luther King Jr was certainly a patriot, but also certain that his country was not great:
QuoteLet us not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.

The concept that the past included an "imaginary golden age" has been a feature of conservatism since at least the days of the Roman Republic, long before the creation of fascism.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Valmy

#827
August 27, 2020, 02:23:54 PM Last Edit: August 27, 2020, 02:26:48 PM by Valmy
I think restoring a mystical golden age, ruined by leftwing degenerates, via a great leader is pretty close to fascism even if this particular brand may not literally be.

The fact that this is kind of adjacent to typical right wing thinking is why fascistic type movements often emerge from the right (and often include more traditional right wing allies), even thought they often differ very substantially from typical conservative right wing thinking.

However you are correct that often patriots may want the ideals of the nation to be more fully realized I concede.

Then you have to throw in a personal attack and sarcastic quotes in there. I am not sure why you felt the need to do that, I feel like I made some good points there.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Liep

#828
August 31, 2020, 02:28:35 PM
I'm getting so many commercials for "Grammarly" I'm beginning to suspect Google analyzed my writing on here and decided I was in the target audience. Between that and eToro it is bullying me into buying a YouTube subscription. :(
"Af alle latterlige Ting forekommer det mig at være det allerlatterligste at have travlt" - Kierkegaard

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Syt

#829
September 10, 2020, 02:11:03 PM
Military History Visualized: "Best German WW2 General? Definitive Answer." ;)
https://youtu.be/L6PtPEYOGJw
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

The Larch

#830
September 10, 2020, 02:30:57 PM
Quote from: Syt on September 10, 2020, 02:11:03 PM
Military History Visualized: "Best German WW2 General? Definitive Answer." ;)
https://youtu.be/L6PtPEYOGJw

Utterly frustrating video.  :wacko:

Syt

#831
September 10, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
I think he makes a good point, though. ;)
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

The Larch

#832
September 10, 2020, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: Syt on September 10, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
I think he makes a good point, though. ;)

Maybe, but in a very annoying way.  :P

grumbler

#833
September 10, 2020, 03:46:07 PM
Quote from: Syt on September 10, 2020, 02:11:03 PM
Military History Visualized: "Best German WW2 General? Definitive Answer." ;)
https://youtu.be/L6PtPEYOGJw

Wow.  Clickbait has crept in everywhere.  That was a fifteen-minute video to describe in excruciating detail what could have been fully explained in a minute.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Syt

#834
September 10, 2020, 11:48:13 PM Last Edit: September 11, 2020, 02:30:59 AM by Syt
He actually had a video recently addressing criticism of him switching from straightforward, content describing titles to clickbaity titles. The long and short of it is that it does help his visibility on Youtube and its ever changing algorithms. :(

Edit - video: https://youtu.be/q0aVWo0hGIg
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Syt

#835
September 29, 2020, 12:39:03 PM
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Syt

#836
October 10, 2020, 04:39:38 AM
Merrie Melodies -Daffy Duck the Wizard
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ur3tw

Awesome hair metal parody with a hint of Frank Frazetta.  :lol: :thumbsup:
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Razgovory

#837
October 14, 2020, 04:46:25 PM
Simpsons episode but with sounds from Half-life for peak 1990's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xxiJd1IpyE

It fits oddly well.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

#838
October 14, 2020, 04:52:45 PM
I love that gag where they moved Mr. Burns desk but not the trap door  :P
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Admiral Yi

#839
October 14, 2020, 08:12:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEvQANDXkZ0

Best directions for making pizza pockets I've ever seen.
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