Naval Warfaretards/Churchillians, to me!

[11B4V]

Bismarck wasn't sunk by aircraft.

They would've eventually.

Seems unlikely, unless they were able to attack an immobile Bismarck at dock.

I read there's a documentary about find the wreck. Have you seen it? and is it worth seeing?

[mongers]

I don't know, the Brits had the worst naval air arm until the US gave them real planes...

Not the best, but not the worst, by that stage of the war they'd already sunk the first significant warship by air attack alone in naval warfare and conducted the first strategic air strike against an enemy battlefleet in a defended harbour.
So given what they had to work with, the Fleet Air Arm did well in first two years of the war.   

[grumbler]

Not the best, but not the worst, by that stage of the war they'd already sunk the first significant warship by air attack alone in naval warfare and conducted the first strategic air strike against an enemy battlefleet in a defended harbour.
So given what they had to work with, the Fleet Air Arm did well in first two years of the war.   

Well, let's see:  their competition was the French, the Americans, some specialized German units, some specialized Italian units, and the Japanese.  I'd say the Fleet Air Arm was tied with the French for last in terms of tactics, and behind them in terms of the quality of the equipment (for which FAA cannot take the blame, given that they couldn't develop their own aircraft).

The problem with FAA was that the RN didn't really "get" carrier warfare.  FAA did fine when based ashore.

[Neil]

I don't know, the Brits had the worst naval air arm until the US gave them real planes...

Not the best, but not the worst, by that stage of the war they'd already sunk the first significant warship by air attack alone in naval warfare and conducted the first strategic air strike against an enemy battlefleet in a defended harbour.
So given what they had to work with, the Fleet Air Arm did well in first two years of the war.   

Yeah.  The Italians were worse than anybody (as was always the case in all aspects of war), and the Germans outsourced it to their air force.

Mind you, it's not like the US and Japanese would have been much more impressive in 1939.  All of the higher-performance planes that fought at Midway didn't come into action until late 1940.

[Admiral Yi]

Mind you, it's not like the US and Japanese would have been much more impressive in 1939.  All of the higher-performance planes that fought at Midway didn't come into action until late 1940.

Zero, Kate, Val, all those guys came on line in 1940?

[Ideologue]

The B5N Kate was older, but the A6M was the important part of that combination anyway.

[CountDeMoney]

For my pal, Strategic Ide Command: 

An educational production film from Convair (a division of General Dynamics), displaying the awesome low-level capabilities of the exciting, new Mach 2 marvel, the B-58 Hustler!

http://youtu.be/yFPgur_cUmA

[jimmy olsen]

The 4th search result from "That's why she was built." is an alt-sex story about a "Far Future Fembot" 

The Battleship That Was a Girl?  I think Tim's writing that novel.

Neil's already preordered.

I came?

Already written. Yellow Eye by John Ringo and Tom Kratman stars anthropomorphic heavy cruisers.

http://www.amazon.com/Yellow-Eyes-Posleen-War-Series/dp/1416521038

[Ideologue]

For my pal, Strategic Ide Command: 

An educational production film from Convair (a division of General Dynamics), displaying the awesome low-level capabilities of the exciting, new Mach 2 marvel, the B-58 Hustler!

http://youtu.be/yFPgur_cUmA

Very cool.  Thanks.

I especially like the parts where he's talking about the B-58 like a new car.  IT'S JUST SO DAMNED COMFORTABLE.

I also liked the part where they pretend-nuked Edwards.

I wish we still flew these.  The Hustler was fucking style.  Can you imagine those flying over Tehran at 500 feet?  Simply awesome.

[11B4V]

For my pal, Strategic Ide Command: 

An educational production film from Convair (a division of General Dynamics), displaying the awesome low-level capabilities of the exciting, new Mach 2 marvel, the B-58 Hustler!

http://youtu.be/yFPgur_cUmA

Very cool.  Thanks.

I especially like the parts where he's talking about the B-58 like a new car.  IT'S JUST SO DAMNED COMFORTABLE.

I also liked the part where they pretend-nuked Edwards.

I wish we still flew these.  The Hustler was fucking style.  Can you imagine those flying over Tehran at 500 feet?  Simply awesome.

B-58 just fucking plain cool. OOOOOzes with it.

[Viking]

If the Iowa could have been dropped from orbit onto the Ho Chi Minh Trail it would have been interesting.  Tim, discuss.

The French already tried that, not with much success.

[11B4V]

If the Iowa could have been dropped from orbit onto the Ho Chi Minh Trail it would have been interesting.  Tim, discuss.

The French already tried that, not with much success.

I didnt know the French tried to drop a battleship into DBP

[Viking]

If the Iowa could have been dropped from orbit onto the Ho Chi Minh Trail it would have been interesting.  Tim, discuss.

The French already tried that, not with much success.

I didnt know the French tried to drop a battleship into DBP

the cheap ass bastards used dirt ramparts instead of belt armor and field artillery instead of the main guns.

[11B4V]

If the Iowa could have been dropped from orbit onto the Ho Chi Minh Trail it would have been interesting.  Tim, discuss.

The French already tried that, not with much success.

I didnt know the French tried to drop a battleship into DBP

the cheap ass bastards used dirt ramparts instead of belt armor and field artillery instead of the main guns.

Im sorry, but what does that have to do with dropping a battleship from orbit?

[Viking]

Jean Bart was used for specifically this purpose at Casablanca.