Hawaii verifies Obama birth records to Arizona

[katmai]

All i can say is look at the two states that produced Berkut, Arizona and Kansas.....

[Valmy]

I wasn't being sarcastic in the least, unfortunately.

So you think it is just a coincidence they are playing the 'not American enough' card on a guy named 'Hussein'?  Because it looks like a brilliant, if kind of fucked up, political strategy to me.

[Berkut]

I wasn't being sarcastic in the least, unfortunately.

So you think it is just a coincidence they are playing the 'not American enough' card on a guy named 'Hussein'?  Because it looks like a brilliant, if kind of fucked up, political strategy to me.

Coincidence? Not at all - I think they are playing any card they can play. There is a question about his birth, so stupid people are playing that card. It is idiotic, but it has very little, if anything, to do with his race. If he was white and there was a question about his birth, the right wingers would do the exact same thing.

I am sure there is some element of racism involved for some people - but that is true for any particular issue.

The much more pervasive racism is the people who try to make it be about race, by repeatedly claiming that ANY opposition to Obama, sane or crazy, is because he is black.

You are a birther? RACIST

You don't think Obama has been effective? ZOMG RACIST!

You think Obama shouldn't be president because he smoked dope and did "a little blow"? WHY DO YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE???

Caring about where Obama was born makes you an idiot - it doesn't make you a racist. And people who isntantly whip out the race card and play it over and over and over and over again don't need to go looking elsewhere to find racism.

[Valmy]

Caring about where Obama was born makes you an idiot - it doesn't make you a racist.

Common sense suggests otherwise.  I see no other reason to care about that unless you think, for some reason, he is not American enough.  Basically you are a xenophobic asshole.  I mean how blatant does it have to be?

The rest of that stuff I agree with you.

[Berkut]

Caring about where Obama was born makes you an idiot - it doesn't make you a racist.

Common sense suggests otherwise.  I see no other reason to care about that unless you think, for some reason, he is not American enough.  Basically you are a xenophobic asshole.  I mean how blatant does it have to be?

The rest of that stuff I agree with you.

I can see another reason:

Because he is a left wing Democrat, and Jesus demands that you oppose them at any and all times and for any and all reasons no matter what.

It's the same reason these same kind of people actually believe that Clinton murdered James Whatshisname, or that the MoveOn types would give serious consideration to the idea that maybe the Bush administration staged 9/11. You don't need to be black to have crazy people think crazy things about you.

[Razgovory]

Moveon.org types like Jerome Corsi?  You might remember him for writing a book that Hans liked so much he used it's cover for his avatar in 2004.  You ought look a little closer at the Truthers.  I think you are more likely to find Libertarians and Ron Paul wackos in their ranks then anyone else.

[Razgovory]

Caring about where Obama was born makes you an idiot - it doesn't make you a racist.

Common sense suggests otherwise.  I see no other reason to care about that unless you think, for some reason, he is not American enough.  Basically you are a xenophobic asshole.  I mean how blatant does it have to be?

The rest of that stuff I agree with you.

It's a shame that a lot of those are strawman arguments.  I don't recall the calls linking Obama's supposed incompetence with racism.  Or the blow thing either. 

[dps]

Caring about where Obama was born makes you an idiot - it doesn't make you a racist.

Common sense suggests otherwise.  I see no other reason to care about that unless you think, for some reason, he is not American enough.  Basically you are a xenophobic asshole.  I mean how blatant does it have to be?

The rest of that stuff I agree with you.

Question:  suppose Arnold Schwarzenegger ran for President.  Now, there's no doubt that he isn't a natural born American.  Are you saying that you'd be OK with him becoming President despite the fact that he's not legally eligible to do so? 

I'm not asking if you think the Constitution should be amended to allow naturalized citizens to become President--I'm asking if you think it's OK to simply ignore the law.

And, I've said this before, but just for the record, I have no doubt that President Obama meets the Constitutional requirements for his office.

[Berkut]

There is some irony actually in the incessant shouts of "racism!" in regards to Obama.

Calling birthers racist is actually done for the exact same reason birthers say Obama is not eligible to be President.

Not because it makes any sense, but simply because it is easy and it works.

[derspiess]

My aunt still mispronounces Hawaii.

"Guys, would you like to see pictures from our 'Hawaya' trip?"

[Valmy]

Not because it makes any sense, but simply because it is easy and it works.

If you say so.  What exactly does it take for something to be racism?

[Valmy]

Because he is a left wing Democrat, and Jesus demands that you oppose them at any and all times and for any and all reasons no matter what.

Right so mobilizing xenophobes and racists into a frothing rage is a good plan.

It does not work for non-racists.  But there are plenty of other, more sane things, to do to discredit Obama to them.

[DGuller]

However, Congress defined it in 1790 and it included persons born abroad but possessing at least one US-citizen parent.  it has never since been defined differently, though the term itself doesn't appear in the current naturalization law.

It has to be more restricted than that, because I was born abroad, and I possess a US-citizen parent, and a spare.  However, I'm pretty sure I'm an artificially born US citizen.

[CountDeMoney]

Coincidence? Not at all - I think they are playing any card they can play. There is a question about his birth, so stupid people are playing that card. It is idiotic, but it has very little, if anything, to do with his race. If he was white and there was a question about his birth, the right wingers would do the exact same thing.

I am sure there is some element of racism involved for some people - but that is true for any particular issue.

The much more pervasive racism is the people who try to make it be about race, by repeatedly claiming that ANY opposition to Obama, sane or crazy, is because he is black.

You are a birther? RACIST

You don't think Obama has been effective? ZOMG RACIST!

You think Obama shouldn't be president because he smoked dope and did "a little blow"? WHY DO YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE???

Caring about where Obama was born makes you an idiot - it doesn't make you a racist. And people who isntantly whip out the race card and play it over and over and over and over again don't need to go looking elsewhere to find racism.

It's so frustrating to have them on your side, isn't it?  Kinda like having Martinus on your side of an argument.
I think it's adorable that you attempt discount their racism, though.  It's a good effort, and I commend you. 

If he was white and there was a question about his birth, the right wingers would do the exact same thing.

John McCain was born in Panama, allegedly in "The Zone".  Why wasn't anybody asking about his birth certificate?  That's not even a state. Hmmm....

[dps]

John McCain was born in Panama, allegedly in "The Zone".  Why wasn't anybody asking about his birth certificate?  That's not even a state. Hmmm....

'Cause he lost.