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Syria Disintegrating: Part 2

Started by jimmy olsen, May 22, 2012, 01:22:34 AM

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The Brain

Quote from: HVC on April 26, 2017, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 25, 2017, 10:35:59 PM
Oh come now. That is Onion material.

You'd think the pigs would side against the western nations, what with our love of their delicious flesh.

Would you rather live and end up eaten or never live at all?
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

CountDeMoney

Goofy ass Russians.

QuoteRussian navy intelligence ship sinks after collision with freighter off Turkish coast

ISTANBUL — A Russian naval intelligence ship sank Thursday after colliding with a merchant freighter in foggy conditions on the Black Sea near Istanbul, the Turkish coast guard said. All 78 crew members on the Russian vessel were rescued.

jimmy olsen

Woah, now that's escalation!

http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-launches-missile-strike-into-syria-for-tehran-attacks/
QuoteIran launches missile strike into Syria in response to Tehran attacksIsraeli sources say Shahab-3 medium-range ballistic missiles used, in regime's first combat launch since the Iran-Iraq conflict 30 years ago

BY AP AND TIMES OF ISRAEL STAFF

June 18, 2017, 11:03 pm 12

EHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's Revolutionary Guard said Sunday it launched missiles into eastern Syria targeting Islamic State militants in response to a June 7 attack on Iran's parliament and a shrine in Tehran. The hardline paramilitary force also warned that it would similarly retaliate against anyone else carrying out attacks in Iran.

The launch of surface-to-surface medium range missiles into Syria's Deir el-Zour province comes as Islamic State militants fleeing a US-led coalition onslaught increasingly try to fortify their positions there.


Israel's Channel 10, quoting an Israeli intelligence source, said the missiles were Iranian Shahab-3 medium-range ballistic missiles, with a range of 1,200 kilometers (800 miles).

Sunday's assault marked an extremely rare direct attack from the Islamic Republic amid its support for embattled Syrian President Bashar Assad. Iran's Revolutionary Guard, a hard-line paramilitary force, has seen advisers and fighters killed in the conflict.

Media reports said this marked the first time Iran had fired missiles as an act of war since the end of the Iran-Iraq war in 1988.

Activists in Syria said they had no immediate information on damage or casualties from the strikes, launched from Iran's Kurdistan and Kermanshah provinces. Social media was awash in shaky mobile phone footage from those areas, allegedly showing the missiles rise in an orange glow before heading toward their targets.

A Guard statement carried on its website said many "terrorists" were killed and their weapons had been destroyed in the strike.

The Guard warned Islamic State militants and their "regional and international supporters" that similar retaliatory attacks would target them as well if another assault in Iran occurs.

Activists in Syria did not immediately have information about the Iranian-claimed strikes. Deir el-Zour is home to both Islamic State militants and civilians.

Five Islamic State-linked attackers stormed Iran's parliament and a shrine to revolutionary leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini on June 7, killing at least 17 people and wounding more than 50.

That attack marked the first to hit Iran, shocking its residents who believed the chaos engulfing the rest of the Middle East would not find them in the Shiite-majority nation.

Iran has described the attackers as being "long affiliated with the Wahhabi," an ultraconservative form of Sunni Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia. However, it stopped short of directly blaming the kingdom for the attack, though many in the country expressed suspicion Iran's regional rival had a hand in the attack.

The attack also came as emboldened Sunni Arab states — backed by US President Donald Trump — are hardening their stance against Iran.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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jimmy olsen

Good thing we have a steady hand at the tiller of our ship of state. Oh, wait....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-threatens-to-treat-us-coalition-aircraft-as-targets-over-syria/2017/06/19/95e87428-54ca-11e7-9e18-968f6ad1e1d3_story.html?utm_term=.49815e872f02
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U.S. risks further battles as it steps deeper into Syrian quagmire

By Louisa Loveluck and David Filipov
June 19 at 5:26 PM
BEIRUT — The United States is becoming more perilously drawn into Syria's fragmented war as it fights on increasingly congested battlefields surrounding Islamic State territory.

On Sunday, a U.S. fighter jet downed a Syrian warplane for the first time in the conflict. By Monday, a key ally of President Bashar al-Assad, Russia, had suspended a pact used to prevent crashes with the U.S.-led coalition in the skies over Syria and was threatening to target American jets.

Separately, Iran said that it had launched a barrage of missiles into Islamic State territory in eastern Syria. That assault marked Tehran's first official strike against the extremist group in Syria, and it signposted the reach of its military might against foes across the region.

The incident followed a series of U.S. airstrikes against Iran-backed forces advancing on partner forces in a strategically prized swath of land along the Iraqi border.

As the major powers on the opposite sides of Syria's war intensify operations against the Islamic State, the risks of an accidental conflagration appear to be growing by the day.

The United States intervened in Syria to roll back Islamic State forces from a self-declared caliphate that once stretched deep into Iraq. But the American role has unsettled Assad's allies, threatening confrontation with Russia and thrusting Iranian-backed militiamen in a race with a U.S.-favored rebel force to reach the Islamic State's eastern strongholds.

The U.S. military confirmed late Sunday night that a U.S. F/A-18 Super Hornet shot down a Syrian Su-22 fighter-bomber.

The confrontation took place near the onetime Islamic State stronghold of Tabqa, hours after Syrian government forces attacked U.S.-backed fighters, known as the Syrian Democratic Forces, or SDF. It was the first time that the American military has shot down a Syrian warplane during the six-year conflict.

On Monday, Russia condemned that strike as a "flagrant violation of international law" and said its forces will treat U.S.-led coalition aircraft and drones as targets if they are operating in Syrian airspace west of the Euphrates River while Russian aviation is on combat missions.

Pavel Baev, who studies the Russian military at the Peace Research Institute Oslo, called the threat "mostly a bluff" but said that "calling it is risky because there are some nervous fingers on many buttons."

In a statement Monday, the SDF warned that it would retaliate in the face of further aggression from pro-Assad forces, raising the possibility that the United States could be forced to deviate further from its stated policy in Syria, which involves targeting Islamic State militants only.

The U.S.-backed military alliance is making its way through the outskirts of the Islamic State's stronghold of Raqqa, backed by U.S.-led coalition airstrikes. The alliance is dominated by Kurdish forces but also includes Arab forces.

If it again comes under attack by pro-Assad forces, Washington may be forced to defend the coalition at the risk of sparking a tinderbox of tensions with Iranian and Syrian troops in the northern province.

"The only actions that we have taken against pro-regime forces in Syria — and there have been two specific incidents — have been in self-defense. And we've communicated that clearly," said Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

But Monday, the Russian Defense Ministry said it was suspending the communication channel through which such messages had been shared in order to minimize the risk of in-flight incidents between Russian and U.S.-led coalition aircraft operating over Syria.

Dunford said the two sides discussed the matter as recently as Monday morning but that further talks are required.

"We work very hard on deconfliction. We've spent the last eight months on deconfliction," Dunford told reporters at the National Press Club. "It's going to require some military and diplomatic efforts in the next hours to restore deconfliction."

Col. Ryan Dillon, a spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition, said that "appropriate platforms" had been dispatched to help ensure operations would continue against the Islamic State, an apparent reference to U.S. aircraft designed to intercept enemy jets.

"Engaging in a game of chicken is not what the military on both sides would enjoy, but they are just instruments of politics, which is not anywhere close to rational at this moment, neither in Moscow, nor in D.C.," Baev said.

In Moscow, officials said that Sunday's shoot-down was intended as a message aimed squarely at Russia.

Frants Klintsevich, deputy head of the defense and security committee of the Russian upper house of parliament, called the incident "an aggression and a provocation."

"It looks like Donald Trump's United States is a source of a brand-new danger both in the Middle East and the world at large," Klintsevich wrote on his Facebook page.

But some analysts said Sunday's strike was an indication of the growing willingness on the part of Assad's forces to confront the U.S.-led coalition as it jostles to push Islamic State militants out of eastern Syria.

That effort has been bolstered by the arrival of thousands of Shiite militiamen who had fought in a campaign across the border in Iraq to capture the city of Mosul from Islamic State militants.

"The wild card here is the logic of an Assad regime which has decided that it no longer wants to be constrained to a Western Syria-based statelet," said Nicholas A. Heras, a fellow at the Washington-based Center for a New American Security.

That shift has been driven by an assessment that the Trump administration could use the territory its forces capture as a bargaining chip with which to push Assad into a political transition or Syria into a decentralized political system, Heras added.

"This is now an existential issue for them," he said.

Filipov reported from Moscow. Thomas Gibbons-Neff in Washington and Kareem Fahim in Istanbul contributed to this report.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
--------------------------------------------
1 Karma Chameleon point

Admiral Yi

Getting into a shooting war with Russia would make a lot of Donald's problems go away.

DGuller

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 19, 2017, 06:02:55 PM
Getting into a shooting war with Russia would make a lot of Donald's problems go away.
It would solve all of our problems, for good.

CountDeMoney

Yes, nothing like superpower brinksmanship with a President that--as you guys had mentioned before--always, always, always raises at poker.


"You've got 20."
"Hit me."
"You've got 21."
"Hit me."
"That's 30."

Razgovory

Seedy is right.  We are all going to die.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Tonitrus

This business will get out of control.  It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

The Minsky Moment

Assad is shit stirring - the Russians have to bluster about it for face but it's likely being handled behind the scenes.  The official Russian response said that aircraft flying west of the Euphrates would "be tracked . . . as aeriel targets" but stopped short of saying they would be fired upon. 
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Maximus

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 19, 2017, 06:32:29 PM
Yes, nothing like superpower brinksmanship with a President that--as you guys had mentioned before--always, always, always raises at poker.


"You've got 20."
"Hit me."
"You've got 21."
"Hit me."
"That's 30."
I don't think that's poker, but maybe it's just the autism talking.

Berkut

"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Maximus on June 20, 2017, 11:41:47 AM
I don't think that's poker, but maybe it's just the autism talking.

Maryland hold 'em.

Solmyr


CountDeMoney

Quote from: Maximus on June 20, 2017, 11:41:47 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 19, 2017, 06:32:29 PM
Yes, nothing like superpower brinksmanship with a President that--as you guys had mentioned before--always, always, always raises at poker.


"You've got 20."
"Hit me."
"You've got 21."
"Hit me."
"That's 30."
I don't think that's poker, but maybe it's just the autism talking.

I'll just stick to one reference at a time for you.  I know you don't do more than one reference at a time very well.