Guardian: Apple would still be highly profitable if production was in U.S.

[DGuller]

I play rough.  It's who I am.  It's not my fault Berkut has a tantrum or Marty cries.  I suppose that's who they are.

One of the problems with measuring your success by how much you piss people off is that you can lose track of whether you're achieving your goal by triumphantly speaking truth to power or by being a dick.

That can apply to a number of posters here, though.  For example, grumbler practically jizzes with joy when someone has enough of his antics and snaps at him.

[crazy canuck]

The one thing we have learned in this thread is Marti = Debbie Downer.  If for no other reason Raz ought to be applauded.

[crazy canuck]

I play rough.  It's who I am.  It's not my fault Berkut has a tantrum or Marty cries.  I suppose that's who they are.

One of the problems with measuring your success by how much you piss people off is that you can lose track of whether you're achieving your goal by triumphantly speaking truth to power or by being a dick.

That can apply to a number of posters here, though.  For example, grumbler practically jizzes with joy when someone has enough of his antics and snaps at him.

He also wets his pants at the prospect of playing the bully - compensation me thinks.

[Admiral Yi]

That can apply to a number of posters here, though.  For example, grumbler practically jizzes with joy when someone has enough of his antics and snaps at him.

The number is not that large.

[Valmy]

I didn't know this was what we are talking about.

I thought we were talking about a very specific problem going on right now and discussing the ability or disireability of the government, as it stands, to correct the problem.

Then the question why we have no faith in government regulation.  I have no faith, with regards to this specific issue, because of the corrupting influence of money and lobbying.  Which, due to the international interests of these corporations and the seeming fact that they have no choice but to participate in the government this way, are not really aligned to the interests of the country.

The idea that all government regulation is inneffective, or at least not without its positive effects that often makes up for its problems, I do not think is one that anybody on this board believes.

[grumbler]

That can apply to a number of posters here, though.  For example, grumbler practically jizzes with joy when someone has enough of his antics and snaps at him. notes that he has won the argument when his opponent is unable to answer logical arguments with anything other than lies, strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks, or bursts of tears about "how mean grumbler is."

Fixed.  FWIW, I don't mean you when I mention strawman arguments.

[grumbler]

He also wets his pants at the prospect of playing the bully - compensation me thinks.

Incorrect.  Hell, I don't even wet my pants when I think of you as my opponent, and if the thought of how easy it is to reduce you to lies, tears, strawman arguments, and ad hom attacks isn't pants-wetting-worthy, nothing is.

Tanning your ass isn't the mark of a bully, it is just the mark of a reasonably competent debater.

[crazy canuck]

Hell, I don't even wet my pants

You protest too much.

[DGuller]

That can apply to a number of posters here, though.  For example, grumbler practically jizzes with joy when someone has enough of his antics and snaps at him. notes that he has won the argument when his opponent is unable to answer logical arguments with anything other than lies, strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks, or bursts of tears about "how mean grumbler is."

Fixed.  FWIW, I don't mean you when I mention strawman arguments.

I did not take it that way, we haven't locked horns in a long time.  Nevertheless, one thing that you and Raz have in common is that the less than polite demeanor you are both known for gives people an easy out when you do crush them logically, which does happen often with both of you.  That's suboptimal if you do want your debate victories to be properly recognized and lauded, rather than leave your vanquished foes with plausible deniability.

[crazy canuck]

Or, in the case of Grumbler, simply stop taking him seriously.

At least Raz doesnt pretend to be superior.

[The Minsky Moment]

Far too much interest and attention is being paid to the relative humidity levels in grumbler's pants.
This falls definitively in the too much information category.

[DGuller]

Far too much interest and attention is being paid to the relative humidity levels in grumbler's pants.
This falls definitively in the too much information category.

[Razgovory]

Or, in the case of Grumbler, simply stop taking him seriously.

At least Raz doesnt pretend to be superior.

I am a humble man, with much to be humble about.

[Razgovory]

That can apply to a number of posters here, though.  For example, grumbler practically jizzes with joy when someone has enough of his antics and snaps at him. notes that he has won the argument when his opponent is unable to answer logical arguments with anything other than lies, strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks, or bursts of tears about "how mean grumbler is."

Fixed.  FWIW, I don't mean you when I mention strawman arguments.

I did not take it that way, we haven't locked horns in a long time.  Nevertheless, one thing that you and Raz have in common is that the less than polite demeanor you are both known for gives people an easy out when you do crush them logically, which does happen often with both of you.  That's suboptimal if you do want your debate victories to be properly recognized and lauded, rather than leave your vanquished foes with plausible deniability.

This is no coincidence.  When I sometimes intentionally adopt the debating style of person I am debating.  I use Grumbler's style against him and the Yicratic method against Yi.

[chipwich]

I don't get why people complain about Yi. His questions are usually reasonable (or always, since I can't think of stupid ones).