Public functionaries and "conscience clause"

[CountDeMoney]

You know, since you were going there anyway, you should have just started there. You don't do circuitous well

Marty's about as transparent as a sliding glass window.
Too bad he keeps putting his head through it.

[Martinus]

Actually, I'm most surprised by some of you being fine with the state official refusing to officiate legal marriage. This to me is the most blatant case of discrimination, and the most heinous one.

[CountDeMoney]

Actually, I'm most surprised by some of you being fine with the state official refusing to officiate legal marriage. This to me is the most blatant case of discrimination, and the most heinous one.

That's because it wouldn't happen, dummy.  Legal marriage = legal.  State official = bound by state law.
If there's anything heinous going on here, it's your constant and consistent misinterpretation of the terms "legal" and "law" around here.

For fuck's sake, you want to start an argument, start one already.

[grumbler]

Actually, I'm most surprised by some of you being fine with the state official refusing to officiate legal marriage. This to me is the most blatant case of discrimination, and the most heinous one.

Justices of the Peace are much different in the US than Poland, it would seem.  A JP in the US is not a state official; he or she is someone who has been deputized to act in the place of a state official for specific functions.  A full-time town clerk with the power to officiate at civil ceremonies could not deny a gay couple's lawful request for his services, but a US JP could; US JPs are only "civil officials" when they want to be.

I'm not the most surprised that your are the most surprised over an issue which arises from you misunderstanding the issue that you raised. 

[CountDeMoney]

Actually, I'm most surprised by some of you being fine with the state official refusing to officiate legal marriage. This to me is the most blatant case of discrimination, and the most heinous one.

Justices of the Peace are much different in the US than Poland, it would seem.  A JP in the US is not a state official; he or she is someone who has been deputized to act in the place of a state official for specific functions.

Depends on the state;  in Delaware, for instance, the Justice of the Peace is a sworn judge dealing with traffic and criminal dockets. 
Now in Pennsylvania, yeah, your definition is more accurate.  They're different from the judges, more like magistrates that are elected for a variety of civil processes.

[HVC]

Been arrested in a lot of places, huh Seedy?

[CountDeMoney]

Been arrested in a lot of places, huh Seedy?

Spent a lot of nights in Night Court, my friend.  Read a lot of books on those wooden ass benches.

[HVC]

The untold stories of the bails bondsman . Ever miss it? I know it could be aggravating, but at least the idiots were criminals not evy league rich boys.

[Ed Anger]

I spent of nights watching Night Court and prayed to the baby jesus that Markie Post would let me bang her.

[katmai]

Evy league?

[HVC]

Evy league?

I blame my phone. I know I'm bad but not that bad. I know some named Evy ( no not one of the strippers ) and it must have autocorrected.

[CountDeMoney]

The untold stories of the bails bondsman . Ever miss it? I know it could be aggravating, but at least the idiots were criminals not evy league rich boys.

Yeah, actually I do, more often than not.    No Customer Service.  No Human Resources.  No "reaching out" to "make bridges" with "stakeholders" over "forward-facing synergies".  Gimme my money, or pack your toothbrush.  Get your Momma to sign, or you don't get out. 

From time to time I think about getting back into it, but it's a young man's gig, and there simply isn't the money in it anymore.  At least not in Maryland, and it's the kind of thing you really need to know the local scene, it's not something you just up and relocate to another city for.  I couldn't do it anywhere but Mobtown.

So, now I'm just reliving it vicariously by writing about it, which happens to be much safer and less frustrating. 


I do miss my sledgehammer, though.  Used a label maker for all the doors we broke down with it.  It was like a Stanley Cup for the 'hood.

[Zanza]

- a state-funded adoption agency refusing to service mixed racial couples,

Illegal discrimination.

Would your answer be different if they were refusing to service same sex couples?

As far as I know same sex couples can't adopt here, but that's certainly not a policy that I support. So it would not be illegal with the current legislation, but I am hopeful that legislation will change during the next few years.

[Zanza]

Actually, I'm most surprised by some of you being fine with the state official refusing to officiate legal marriage. This to me is the most blatant case of discrimination, and the most heinous one.

The state forcing a civil servant to go against his or her conscience is not a good idea either. Just let another civil servant officiate who doesn't have qualms. What's gained by forcing a civil servant to act against their conscience? That won't make for a nice marriage either.

[MadImmortalMan]

What if the President is a pacifist and the Germans invade? lolololol